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Overstaying a visa in Greece

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Whether you are a non-EU citizen with a Schengen or national visa for Greece, you are expected to:

a) leave the country before it expires;
b) secure a visa extension under special circumstances, if you are staying temporarily as a tourist or business traveler (directions below); ose
c) apply for the proper Greek permit within 30 days of arrival or apply for Greek citizenship if you are staying permanently .

A non-EU citizen with plans to immigrate and/or be resident in Greece (stay past 90 days) should not be looking at this post. The proper post is, “ How non-EU citizens can move, live and work in Greece .” This also applies if you are a non-EU citizen of Greek origin/descent without dual citizenship with the EU, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland or Liechtenstein.

This article is updated regularly to reflect new laws and regulations. I encourage everyone to be patient in reading this article and its comments, as they offer answers and suggestions to common questions and a full explanation not available anywhere else.

*Article last updated January 2, 2015

Visas

There are only two classes of visas currently being issued by Greece. It's important to know which one you have to understand its privileges and possible penalties.

Schengen

American, Australian, Canadian and other non-EU citizens from countries in which Greece and other Schengen countries signed a visa waiver agreement can stay up to 90 days within the Schengen zone in any 180-day period as a tourist. See,” Countries that enjoy visa-free travel to Greece ” to see if your country is on the list.

The countdown starts from the date of entry to the Schengen zone, which is marked by a stamp in your passport, or a scan and record kept by the computer and/or Schengen Information System (SIS). For example, if you entered through Paris 20 days prior coming to Athens, the 90 days starts from that date in France, not the date you arrived in Greece.

Dual citizens of any country with two passports are not entitled to twice the time, and it has nothing to do with the person to whom you are married. It only matters which passport you used to enter the country. If you try to enter with one passport and exit with another, passport control will question why you have no entry/exit stamp or why it doesn't show in the computer.

*Overstaying in the EU/Schengen region does not have a one-size-fits-all set of rules. Each country has unique fines, penalties and enforcement standards, and some do not allow visa extensions. If you are exiting a Schengen country other than Greece, you are free to read the remainder this article for informational purposes, but you should stop here and consult local authorities in the country concerned.

National

A national visa is good only for Greece and no other country, whether it is a visa for tourist, student or work purposes.

Although there are national visas with validity up to one year, those living and intending to work in Greece must normally apply for a permit within 90 days of arrival as explained in, “ How a non-EU citizen can get a permit to move, live or work in Greece .”

*There is no such thing as an “overstaying visa.” Overstaying is something you do, not a type of visa.

How to apply for a visa extension in Greece

Visitors who plan to stay longer than the expiration date of a Schengen or national visa while in Greece as a tourist, student or temporary business consultant should apply for a visa extension at the Alien's Bureau Office or police station nearest their legal or temporary residence. It is not a temporary residence permit, as the American Embassy in Athens incorrectly states.

Note that visa extensions are only granted under special extenuating circumstances, such as being in the hospital, having a serious car accident or a relative passing away. Visa extensions are not granted because of ignorance regarding visas and permits, careless planning, unexpectedly falling in love, taking illegal work and just because you want to travel more.

Initial application:

1. Apply between 7 to 25 days in advance of your visa's expiration

2. Fill out the one-page Greek/English/French visa extension form provided to you by the alien's bureau or police station (Greece does not typically offer any forms online)

3. Provide any supporting evidence for needing an extension to the person in charge, who will give you a verbal answer

If you are approved, you will need to provide:

1. Four (4) passport-size color photos

2. Proof of residence while in Greece
— Letter from the person with whom you're staying and a copy of their ID/passport, your hotel bill, a statement of facts ; or the person in charge will request what is specifically needed for your case.

3. Proof of minimum financial means
— Bank statement showing you have at least 15-50 euros/day for the length of your extension. Note the phrase 'at least' means they could ask for proof of a greater amount.
*Some readers report that they were required to open a bank account in Greece, which also meant applying for an AFM (Greek tax number) and supplying a number of other documents.

4. A passport that is valid for the period in which you are requesting an extension
— If you're asking for a 3-month extension, your passport must be valid for at least 3 months)

5. Two (2) copies of the main page of your passport

6. Two (2) copies of the entry stamp to the Schengen zone or visa sticker in your passport
— Should you not have a stamp, authorities may bar you from applying unless a printout from the Schengen computer can assist

7. A flat fee of 464 euros
— All visa extensions cost the same, whether for a minimum of one (1) day or a maximum of six (6) months

The Alien's Bureau or Greek police station will give you a paper to put in your passport to show authorities when exiting Greece to avoid being stopped and fined.

The word 'extension' implies there is something valid to prolong, which means this is no longer the case if your visa has already expired.

*Special thanks to KEB, a reader who provided first-hand experience on securing an extension.

What if I'm denied an extension?

If you have the possibility to visit another station within your municipality, a different person may give you a different answer. However, there is no guarantee and you will be sent away if you cannot prove legal or temporary residence within the jurisdiction of the police station in which you are requesting an extension.

Should you be denied an extension, you are expected to leave Greece and the Schengen zone before the original visa expires, as scheduled.

Pyetjet më të shpeshta

This section was compiled based on common predicaments and questions posed by commentators.

I have a Greek boyfriend, how do I extend my visa?

It makes no difference if your boyfriend/girlfriend is a Greek/EU citizen. An extension is normally only granted for compelling reasons, such as being in the hospital. No one cares if you fell in love and don't want to leave; it has nothing to do with the law.

If I get engaged to a Greek, can I extend my visa and stay past 90 days?

Being engaged to a Greek/EU citizen is treated as if you're still single. It does not entitle you to further rights or a Greek residence/work permit. You must be married and apply for a permit before the expiration of your visa or go home.

Even in the rare case a police station allows you a visa extension, you still cannot stay indefinitely; you still need a permit to stay in Greece as stated in “ How non-EU citizens can move, live and work in Greece .” The longer you stay in Greece, the longer you must delay returning to Greece according to Schengen rules of “90 days within any 180-day period.”

*Some EU countries grant residence permits to engaged partners and fiance(e)s. Greece does not.

Can I get a visa extension to get married?

Depends. If you scheduled a date at the mayor's office/city hall to get married during the validity of your visa and there was an unforeseen event — such as the prospective groom/bride being in a serious accident or the municipality keeps rescheduling your date after you filed the proper documents — there may be reason to extend it.

If you need an extension because of your poor planning, ignorance and procrastination, or you and your fiance(e) decided to get married so one of you could get a permit to stay/live/work in Greece, then authorities will deny an extension. The reason should be obvious.

If I overstayed my visa, and my Greek fiance and I get married in another country and come back, is that OK?

No, because it doesn't change the fact you violated the law of maximum 90 days stay within any 180-day period. When you apply for a permit as the non-EU spouse of a Greek citizen to stay in Greece legally, authorities will see you don't have a valid visa and deny you from applying. If they mistakenly allow it, the eight-member panel will catch this during your interview and deny issuance of your permit.

Can I get a permit or get married if I overstay my visa or am an illegal resident?

No. Once your visa has expired, you enter an illegal status and are therefore ineligible to be hired legally, apply for a residence/work permit, conduct official transactions and get married in Greece. Pse? In short, because you must be legal to do something legal.

Application for a residence/work permit requires you be in a legitimate status, as does applying for a marriage license. If you somehow slip through the cracks, higher authorities will eventually cancel or revoke it later. Likewise, if your marriage is suspicious, a board of eight people will make that determination during the interview process, withhold issuing your permit and request that you leave the country, and upon leaving you will be fined and possibly blacklisted.

Why doesn't the embassy/consulate intervene on my behalf?

The embassy/consulate is a diplomatic mission that serves citizens and non-citizens regarding issues with the homeland, not the host country of Greece where it is a guest. It cannot override another country's rules and regulations, nor intervene when a citizen has broken local laws. Visitors to this country are responsible for their actions, and ignorance is not a legitimate defense.

What about overstaying student and work visas?

— Work visas on the whole cannot be renewed, converted or extended because they are for temporary stays (conference, consultation) or must be exchanged for a work permit before expiration.

— Student visas on the whole have entry limitations and are for temporary stays (semester abroad) or must be exchanged for a residence/work permit if intending to work in Greece.

The correct visa and length of validity should have been sorted back in your homeland before arrival in Greece. There should be no need for an extension or reason for overstay. Periudha.

Why Greece is more strict with overstays

Many Schengen countries are lenient with certain tourists when it comes to staying longer than the 90 days because it is good for the economy, but Greece is strict because it is the gateway for 75 percent of the EU's total illegal border crossings. Enforcement of the 90-day Schengen rule has been well documented in travel guides, such as the Lonely Planet and Rough Guides. The EU border-monitoring agency Frontex opened its first European regional office in Athens, Greece in October 2010 and sent 175 specialized guards to fight alongside local authorities.

In the past: It used to be that one could get around the 90-day rule and renew a visa by crossing any country's border and re-entering, but those days ended March 26, 2000 when Greece — a member of the common area since 1992 — began implementing Schengen.

Today: Crossing to a non-Schengen, non-EU country and re-entering is pointless with the current law in place. Attempting it will accomplish nothing, even if border patrol does not enforce the law and turn you away.

There are no tricks to extending, resetting or renewing a visa. Anyone who tells you they went over the border to a non-EU, non-Schengen country to restart or reset their visa for another 90 days anytime after March 26, 2000 is ill-informed and accomplished nothing but wasting time and money. If they didn't get in trouble, it's because they got lucky and encountered equally ignorant Greek authorities, not because the crossing actually worked.

What is the law?

Schengen allows a maximum of 90 days within any 180-day period in the entire Schengen zone. It doesn't matter if it's a continuous 90 days or 30 days this month, 30 days two months from now and another 30 days four months from now.
— Example 1: If you have already been in the Schengen zone for 90 days, it means you need to get out and stay out for 90 days before coming back.
— Example 2: If you arrived in the Schengen zone on May 1, used 60 days, exited for 30 days to the Czech Republic , and came back to Schengen, you still have only 30 days left of your 90 days maximum. The only way the Schengen clock resets to the entire 90 days is when your 180 days expires end of November.

Anyone who tells you it is 180 days in the Schengen zone or 90 days per Schengen country is not informed of the law.

*Special thanks to Frank, who provided first-hand experience to revise this section.

The best advice

a) Be sensible, plan ahead, educate yourself before departing your homeland, get the right visa and don't even think about overstaying
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b) If you are planning to stay in Greece past the validity of any visa offered and find no legal way to secure a Greek work/residence permit, go ahead and overstay as long as you wish without exiting, consciously accept the consequences and pay the fine when you leave.

Overstaying without an visa extension

Anyone who stays beyond a visa's validity without an extension and without a residence/work permit is illegal, subject to interrogation by airport officials, and must pay a fine upon exiting. Those caught working illegally or engaging in criminal activity in addition to being illegal are subject to deportation. Minors under the age of 18 accompanied by an adult are not fined, as they are considered an innocent party to their parents' irresponsible decisions.

If you cannot or choose not to pay the fine of 600 to 1,200 euros, officials will stamp your passport with the outstanding amount and a code number, which will be referenced in a computer each time you cross a border for up to five (5) years. You may be questioned at border crossings and can be barred from entering other Schengen countries.

Paying the fine at a later date clears your outstanding balance, but the mark in your passport remains until its next renewal, and your travel record remains in the computer for a long time no matter what passport you use because new passports are cross referenced with former ones. I was questioned in Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Italy, in addition to being pulled out of line and temporarily detained in Greece, each time I crossed even though my fine was paid years before and I presented the original receipt every single time.

If you have a layover and are exiting via another Schengen country on your flight home, it is possible that Greece will allow you to pass without penalty and assume the layover Schengen country will deal with you. This could work in your favor if authorities in that country ignore the overstay, but it could also work against you in that authorities may bar you from entering or assess you a penalty greater than what Greece may have.*

There have been claims that those who overstay a visa “can never come back to Greece,” but there is no written law to support this statement.

*Nod to Brady for contributing this information.

Is there a grace period for Schengen?

A lot of rumors on the Internet and forums have people believing there is a 10, 14 or 21 day grace period. However, there is no documented legal grace period.

What if I don't have a stamp in my passport?

Passports are scanned by border control upon entering and exiting a country, though most people are not paying attention when it happens. Therefore, it doesn't matter what stamps you have or don't have in your passport.

If the country is connected to the Schengen Information System (SIS), your passport will be scanned as it was when you entered, and anyone in violation of a visa will be automatically flagged. If the border crossing is not connected to the Schengen computer, guards can question you, ask for proof of entry and (s)he can very easily do the math. Or they may ask nothing and let you pass.

How is an overstay fine or penalty calculated?

Whether or not you're even looked at or how much you're fined (600-1200 euros) is purely the discretion of the person passing judgment; it doesn't matter how long ago you passed the deadline. Articles written by people who do not live in Greece and the American Embassy in Athens wrongly state that the penalty assessed is determined by the length of overstay. How do I know they're wrong? I know people who overstayed one day and were fined 600 euros, and people who overstayed four months and were fined exactly the same thing.

The immigration official can decide to do something…or not. If you're let go, nothing is recorded in the computer or your passport, and you should be grateful and be on your way. If you are not let go, he will enter you in the computer and assess a fine. You will then have the choice of paying the fine or not.

  • If you pay, you will still be entered in the computer but your passport won't be marked and there is no risk of being blacklisted.
  • If you do not pay, the fine stays with you and your computer record until you do, and you risk being blacklisted for up to five (5) years. If you try and enter the Schengen zone before the blacklist period expires, whoever you get upon entering the Schengen zone will again have the choice of letting you pay the fine and allow you passage, or turn you away. If you're turned away, you'll be responsible for any lost flight and hotel reservations, plus the cost of transporting yourself to another country or back home.

Crackdowns are more likely for repeat violators of visas, scruffy tourists and backpackers, football hooligans, people pretending to be tourists but are trying to flee their country and work illegally, not well-to-do tourists. Greek authorities are also seeking to crack down on Americans, Australians, Canadians and other non-EU citizens who come to Greece each summer to work illegally and party, as they account for the greatest number of year-round overstays.

Here are some tips from the CIA on profiling and minimizing trouble: “ How to avoid detection at airports .” — Quartz

Can I pay my overstay fine/penalty in another EU or Schengen country?

No, you must pay your fine/penalty in the country where it happened, or it won't be cleared. If you overstayed in Greece, had a penalty assessed in Greece and didn't pay, the only way it can be recorded as satisfied is if you or someone you appoint pays that fine and is given a receipt by Greek authorities. You can also pay the fine at any Greek consulate/embassy, and make sure to get a receipt as proof.

Keep the payment receipt for as long as you hold this “marked” passport or until there is a pattern of people not requesting to see it.

I cannot pay 1200 euros. Is there a way to get my fine reduced?

Jo.

Do they accept credit cards or only cash?

Cash is king in Greece, and everyone I know paid cash. However, that's not to say they don't have a swipe machine to process credit and debit cards. If they do not have one, you will be permitted to visit an ATM/cash machine or call someone.

In the Athens airport, passengers in danger of being fined are detained in an office near passport control. That means it is quite easy to cross over to the non-passenger side of the terminal to find a currency exchange, bank, cash machine or friend/relative.

Deportation

A mark in your passport and paying a fine does not mean you have been deported. Deportation usually occurs after police have detained you, you go to a Greek court of justice and legal judgment has been officially rendered.

Laws state that those who are deported by police or a court of justice cannot return for a minimum of three (3) years, and an official government circular says the deportation fine is up to 3000 euros and a minimum of three (3) months imprisonment.

Additionally, you may be barred from entering all countries in the Schengen zone .

Jail time

You cannot be jailed for overstaying a visa. But if you committed a crime and authorities happen to find you fleeing the country while fining you for overstaying your visa, then you will be detained for that particular offense.

Important note

The rules and regulations that govern applying for an extension, and the penalties for overstaying a visa are different for every Schengen country. It is wrong to think that all Schengen countries are the same.

Many of the facts relayed in this article do apply to other Schengen countries. However, you must check with authorities in the country of concern if you are not living, working or studying in Greece and not planning to exit Schengen via Greece.

Alien's Bureaus

Athinë
173 Alexandras Avenue
(210) 646-8103
(210) 770-5711
(210) 641-1746

Elefsina-s
18 Iroon Polytechneiou
(210) 554-7427

Elliniko
Proin Anatolikos Aerolimenas Athinon
(210) 960-1341

Glyfada
23 Karaiskaki
(210) 960-1341
(210) 962-7068

Kolonos
99 Antigonis
(210) 510-2833

Lavrio
3 Damoukara
(2210) 922-5265

Maroussi
73 D. Gounari
(210) 802-4808

Pallini
14 Athanasiou Diakou
(210) 603-2982
(210) 603-2980

Piraeus
37 Iroon Polytechniou
(210) 412-2501
(210) 412-8607
(210) 417-4592

Tavros
24 Petrou Ralli
(210) 340-5828/829/888
Hours 8:00-14:00

Thessaloniki
25 Tsimiski
(2310) 521.067
(2310) 510.829

Additional phone number from the Kathimerini: (210) 750-5711/17

(List is incomplete)

Police stations

In many non-urban areas, the local police station serves as the Alien's Bureau.

*Note: Police and bureau staff are not guaranteed to speak English, so it may be necessary to bring a Greek-speaking companion or show additional patience with the process.

Burimet

— Greek Consulate in Washington DC
— Ministry of Justice, Greece
— Friends now working at Eleftheriou Venizelou Airport and local police stations
— Friend who worked for the Alien's Bureau on Alexandras in 2003
— Personal experience; experiences of Americans and Canadians from 1997-2009
— Specific experiences of non-EU citizens KEB and Frank, August-November 2007
— Article from Athens News, for comparison purposes only

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Deported family may be barred from Schengen area ” — The Foreigner

Related posts

" udhëtarët jo të BE-së kanë nevojë për 50 euro në ditë "
" Punë verore në Greqi FAQ "
" Si qytetarë amerikanët / jo të BE-së mund të lëvizin, jetojnë dhe punojnë në Greqi "

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85 Komente

Ann shkroi @ 25 korrik, 2007 në 14:23

I overstayed my visa a couple of years ago, had to pay the fine (over 500 euros, if I remember correctly) but no one has ever questioned it since I got back into Greece (with a little “rosfeti” in addition to the fine, I must add, since I was coming from a non-Schengen country).

Kat Përgjigje:

I don't address rosfeti on this site as a method in which to partake, although I know it's a reality. Most people trying to avoid paying a fine usually don't have the money to pay a bribe.

People I know of different non-EU nationalities were given red/black marks in their passport and questioned in some countries, just as I was 10 years ago until I renewed my passport. However, as i say in my “Warning and Disclaimer” section, “results may vary” depending on who you are, how much money you have and who you know.

I communicate certain things to help people make decisions and avoid surprise; if it doesn't happen, it's great, but at least they were informed and warned “just in case.”

jvanover shkroi @ 8 gusht, 2007 në 15:54

Çfarë mendoni për një dalje në det në Greqi vs fluturuar atje dhe qëndrojnë? Dhe cilat qytete do të na rekomandojmë të vizitoni?

Kat Përgjigje:

Unë nuk jam me të vërtetë personi më i mirë për të kërkuar këshilla që unë priren të jenë shumë të hardcore dhe Offbeat. Unë normalisht nuk kam asnjë itinerarin, asnjë hartë, asnjë libër udhërrëfyes dhe urrejtjes duke bërë gjëra tipike turistike, edhe kur në qytetet e mëdha. Ndonjëherë unë nuk e marrë fotografi, sepse unë jam kapur shumë në përvojën për t'u kujdesur.

Grace shkroi @ 23 gusht, 2007 at 23:08

Hi, unë vetëm kam kthyer nga konsullata greke në LA. Ajo më informoi se unë nuk mund të qëndrojë në Greqi për më shumë se 90 ditë. Dhe pas kalimit të 90 ditëve, duhet të jem jashtë vendit edhe për 90 ditë para se unë mund të kthehen. A jeni duke thënë se për sa kohë që kam lënë para origjinale skadimit 90 ditë dhe të kthehet me një pullë të re, unë mund të qëndrojë edhe për 90 ditë? Unë kam qenë i informuar me tej se shkelja e rregullave të vizave do të rezultojë në një gjobë Euro 1000 në ditë! A është kjo e saktë? Unë jam një qytetar amerikan, i cili ishte duke planifikuar në marrjen e një dielave vjeçare të gjatë në Greqi dhe tani ajo duket si unë nuk mund të (edhe pse ka hequr dorë banesën time, punë, etj

Kat Përgjigje:

Grace - I postuar përgjigjen publikisht kështu që të tjerët me pyetje të ngjashme mund të përfitojnë.

Ju nuk tha se çfarë lloj vize ju ishin duke u përpjekur për të marrë kështu që unë nuk mund të jetë në gjendje të ju këshillojë në mënyrë korrekte.

Si unë jam i sigurt se ju e dini, qytetarët amerikanë nuk kanë nevojë për viza për të të jetë në Greqi për 90 ditë, kështu që unë nuk jam i sigurt pse ne jemi duke folur për vizat në të gjitha. Në çdo rast, përtej 90 ditëve, opsionet janë: 1) Një zgjatje (nëse miratohet nga autoritetet për arsye shumë të veçanta), 2) të siguruar një leje qëndrimi, 3) qëndrimi vetëdije përtej datës dhe paguar gjobën.

Për mua, kjo tingëllon si ju keni planifikuar një dielave, që do të thotë që ju duhet një leje për të qëndruar, jo një vizë. Viza është që të hyjnë dhe dalin; leja është për të qëndruar përtej 90 ditë. Që unë nuk e di gjendjen tuaj, unë nuk mund t'ju këshillojë më tej në lidhje me nëse ju kualifikoheni për një lloj të caktuar të lejes ose të ndonjë leje në të gjitha. Një Konsullata greke duhet të ketë qenë në gjendje të ju japin këtë informacion.

Zgjerime janë dhënë vetëm për arsye të veçanta ose të tmerrshme deri në 6 muaj, siç kam të detajuara në këtë post.

Lejet jepen për një sërë arsyesh që kërkojnë një person për të qëndruar (dmth punë, të daljes në pension, nusja, ngjarje atletike, etj).

Rinovimit një vizë është për dikë që udhëton në dhe jashtë vendit. 90 ditët Sundimi i të qenit jashtë zonës Shengen para se të ri-hyjnë është pjesërisht e vërtetë (është 90 ditë qëndrimi i përgjithshëm brenda një periudhe 180 ditore), por vendet e tjera të Shengenit injorojnë që shumicën e kohës; Greqia nuk ka. Unë di njerëz të jetës reale që kanë shkuar më shumë se një kufi jo-Shengen dhe rinovohet, por kjo është e pakuptimtë nëse një vend është i lidhur me kompjuterin Shengen që automatikisht llogarit ditët.

Shkelja e rregullave të vizave janë pikërisht si unë detajuar më lart - kjo është një kohë e gjobë deri në 1300 euro pas daljes. A seriozisht besoj se është 1000 euro në ditë? Unë nuk e bëj për një të dytë.

Në pozicionin tuaj, unë do ta quaja një tjetër konsullatës greke për këshilla, Uashington DC pasur më shumë pushtet. Nëse keni ndërmend të kalojnë një vit këtu, ju do të duhet të marrë të përdoret për këtë lloj të trajtimit dhe të qenit vigjilent në kapërcimin e pengesave.

Përndryshe, këshilla ime është që të shkoni përpara dhe të qëndrojnë tërë vitin, pa lënë, atëherë vetëm të paguajë dënimin në një kohë pas daljes. Ata nuk mund të bëjë asgjë për ju në atë pikë, veçanërisht në qoftë se ju jeni tashmë larguar dhe nuk kanë plane për t'u kthyer ose të shkojnë në një vend tjetër Schengen.
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Për lexuesit e mi, unë rekomandoj duke hetuar legalitetin dhe mundësitë përpara se të bëjnë plane për jetën ndryshuar dhe vendosjen e tyre në lëvizje.

RD shkroi @ 30 gusht, 2007 në 18:53

E pra, pas leximit nëpërmjet këto poste Unë jam mjaft i shqetësuar se çfarë mund të ndodhë me mua.

Kam jetuar në Greqi nga 1992 deri në vitin 2002 me familjen time dhe mori një leje qëndrimi në vitin 2001 nga autoritetet lokale (disi ...) kur ata vënë re unë did'nt kanë një të tillë. Me fat për mua atëherë.

Kohët e fundit kam kthyer në Greqi nga Kanadaja pas një mungese 5 vjeçare të kalojnë kohë me nënën time që ka nënshtetësinë greke. Kjo ka ndodhur me mua unë duhet të ketë një leje qëndrimi përsëri për të qëndruar, kështu që 2 javë para vizë 3 tim muaj skaduar unë shkova në autoritetet lokale për të filluar aplikimin për qëndrim.

Ata zhvilluan mbi shkresa deri sa skaduar viza ime dhe e dërgoi atë në sallën tonë lokale e qytetit duke thënë se ata could'nt përfunduar leje qëndrimi. Fundi i bisedës. Tani askush nuk do të më ndihmojë, policia janë duke thënë se unë duhet të paguaj mbi 1300 euro për të zgjatur vizën time për një muaj dhe ata nuk do të bëjë atë anyway. Unë kam vendosur për të provoni duke marrë nënshtetësi greke, por ne jemi duke shkuar rreth në qarqet me këtë biznes skadimit të vizave.

Unë nuk mund të largohet për 6 muaj dhe të vijnë përsëri tani si i hoqa qafe të banesën time në Kanada dhe shtëpia ime është në Greqi.

Dikush ka dashur të merret me këtë lloj situate?

Kat Përgjigje:

RD, unë zakonisht këshillojnë njerëzit për të bërë kërkime përpara mbërritjes në vend për të kuptuar rregullat dhe rregulloret në lidhje me vizat, lejet e qëndrimit dhe pasojat që mos të jetë i befasuar ose gjobiten.

Ligjet në Greqi ndryshojnë mjaft në 5 vjet, e lëre më 1 ose 2 vjet kështu që çdo gjë aplikohet atëherë ka të ngjarë është bërë më i rreptë. Gjithashtu, 2 javë nuk është kohë e mjaftueshme për autoritetet për të shqyrtuar një kërkesë, jo edhe në SHBA ose Britani të Madhe, kur është fjala për një leje qëndrimi nëse nuk keni një lidhje brenda. Në Greqi, unë kam pritur zakonisht deri në 3 muaj në një vit për leje im që do të lëshohet, ndonjëherë duke arritur pas datës së skadimit. Minave është një histori e përbashkët, dhe unë jam i sigurt që ju keni dëgjuar për të "kohës greke."

Autoritetet nuk kanë asnjë interes për të ndihmuar ju ose dikush tjetër, prandaj njerëzit duhet të marrin masa paraprake për të ndihmuar veten. Pasi të keni hyrë në këtë vend, ju jeni subjekt i ligjeve të saj, nëse ju e dini ata apo jo. Dhe kjo nuk është sekret se ky vend ka probleme me transparencën.

Shtetësia gjithashtu merr disa kohë (deri në 1-2 vjet nëse nuk keni një lidhje brenda), dhe detyrë ushtarake pastaj do të caktohet për ju, nëse miratohet. Pasi të ndodhë kjo, ju do të jetë ende në kundërshtim sepse ata me origjinë greke pa një certifikatë përjashtimi mund të qëndrojë vetëm 30 ditë në një vit kalendarik, dhe 6 muaj në një vit kalendarik me një certifikatë.

Ata nuk do të miratojë një shtrirje në vizës tuaj, sepse ju nuk keni një "vital" apo arsye "emergjente" për të qëndruar këtu.

Siç viza juaj ka skaduar dhe ju nuk keni një leje qëndrimi, ju janë klasifikuar si të paligjshme dhe nuk kanë vlerë zyrtare në Greqi. Kjo është një flamur i kuq në pasaportën tuaj (shkon në kompjuter) dhe në statusin tuaj rezident në Greqi (përsëri, në një kompjuter në prefekturë). Kjo do të thotë në çdo vendkalimin kufitar dhe çdo herë që përpiqen për të përfunduar një transaksion që ka të bëjë me leje apo shtetësi, të dhënat tuaja do të largohen dhe të rishikohet.

Ka shumë lloje të lejeve ju mund të keni të siguruara, megjithatë sapo një person është në një gjendje të paligjshme si jeni, kjo nuk është e mundur për të vazhduar dhe nuk ka opsione.

Çdo rast është unik, dhe për këtë arsye është e pamundur për mua ose një person tjetër laik për të dhënë këshilla dhe zgjidhjet.

Mua më duket dëmi është bërë dhe mundësitë tuaja janë të mbeten këtu dhe për të mbajtur një profil të ulët (aka, nuk do të nënshkruajë për ndonjë gjë në emrin tuaj) derisa të largoheni në datën tuaj të planifikuar fillimisht, të paguajnë një herë gjobë, marrë njollë të zezë në pasaportën tuaj dhe të bëhet me të. OSE Nëse dilni tani, ju do të vlerësohet të shënojë gjobë dhe e zezë në pasaportën tuaj, por nuk mund të lejohet për të ri-hyjnë në këtë mënyrë shpenzimet e parave për asgjë, arrinte gjë dhe duke u bllokuar.

Rob.D shkroi @ 2 shtator, 2007 at 21:08

Wow, faleminderit Kat për shkrimin tuaj. Ne shkuam në natyralizimit (?) Offine këtu dhe ata thanë që kur kam ardhur në Greqi fillimisht në vitin 1992 dhe nëna ime ishte shkruar në libra në sallën e qytetit në fshatin tonë në vitin 1993, unë gjithmonë kanë pasur mundësi të jetë grek. Dhe kështu me nënat grumbull tim dokumentet dhe certifikatës së lindjes sime unë jam nesër do të fillojnë aplikimin për citizenship.I foli komandantit të forcave të armatosura në ishullin tonë dhe unë mund të merrni një letër nga ambasada time që thotë unë do të jem përfundimit të shërbimit tim ushtarak në Kanada (të mundshme për shkak të NATO-s). Pra, për sa kohë që unë të mbajë një profil të ulët këtu si ju tha deri sa unë të marrë shtetësinë time unë duhet të jetë mirë, nëse unë përdor pasaportën time të re greke, kur unë të largohen nga vendi?

Uf. Pasi u këtu për vitet lehtë kur gjërat mund të bëhet pa asnjë këtyre pasojave të mëdha, unë gjej veten duke ardhur këtu të qenë i pavëmendshëm për procedurat moderne, kur në vendin tim, Kanada, unë kurrë nuk do të ëndërrojnë të mos shkuar përmes linjave dhe procedurave për të marrë e duhura diçka e kjo e rëndësishme bërë. Një mësim për të gjithë ata që ndonjëherë merr në këtë situatë, duke përfshirë edhe veten time.

Unë do të postoj përsëri kur unë e di saktësisht se çfarë do të ndodhë.
Thanks again so much për të marrë kohë.

Kat Përgjigje:

Unë jam i kënaqur që ju keni mundësi për të aplikuar për shtetësi. Disa njerëz unë e di janë refuzuar. Unë dua të deklarojë këtë në mënyrë të qartë në rast se dikush atje lexon këtë dhe mendon se ata mund të bëjnë të njëjtën gjë - çdo rast është i ndryshëm, kështu që të marrë asgjë. Gjithashtu të jenë të vetëdijshëm se ju do të caktohet detyrë ushtarake.

Kur keni dalë nga vendi me pasaportë greke, emri juaj do të skanuar për të parë nëse ju jeni duke kërkuar nga zyra e rekrutimit. Prandaj, të jetë i sigurt për të marrë letër nga ambasada juaj në zyrën e rekrutimit ushtarak grek dhe për të marrë atë pastruar me ta, kështu që ju nuk jeni nicked papritur kur përpiqen për të lënë.

Në 10 vitet e mia, unë kurrë nuk kam njohur ndonjë ditë e lehtë, por kjo është ndoshta për shkak se unë jam një "emigrant" e jo me origjinë greke.

Ju lutem mos postoni përsëri te na tregoni se si çdo gjë shkoi.

PIC shkroi @ 4 shtator, 2007 në 17:06

Vetëm një pyetje: Nëse ju lënë Greqinë dhe nisen për shtetet (nëpërmjet Gjermania) Unë nuk besoj se ju të kalojë përmes kontrollit të pasaportave, dhe kështu askush nuk do të dijë të gjatë keni qenë në Greqi.

Kur unë shkova në shtetet e vitit të kaluar (nëpërmjet Gjermani), unë nuk mbaj mend hyjnë në një zonë të kontrollit të pasaportave deri sa kam marrë në Gjermani.

Unë nuk mund të shoh gjermanët zbatuar një rregull 90 ditë grek apo është kjo një ditë e rregull të BE-90?

Kat Përgjigje:

PIC - Kjo është e drejtë. 90 ditët është një rregull Shengen, jo një rregull i BE-së, sepse jo të gjitha vendet e BE-së janë pjesë e Shengen (Unë kam një listë në këtë faqe nëse dikush ka nevojë të dinë dallimin, por është në një linkun e mësipërm). Çfarë ju tha se është gjithashtu i saktë. Nëse jeni duke u larguar nga Greqia në një vend të BE-së, atëherë ai vend ndaj Shteteve, ju duhet të shkoni nëpër kontrollin e pasaportave në vendin tuaj lebroz. Kam thënë këtë në postin tim, po ashtu. Autoritetet kujdes për sa kohë keni qenë në Shengen (kjo nuk është vetëm për Greqinë); kjo është ajo që ka rëndësi.

George shkroi @ 4 shtator, 2007 në 17:36

PIC - Pjesë e saj e ligjit Shengen.

i kanë overstayed 90 ditëve që ju keni të drejtë në bazë të rregullave. Unë vetëm do të overstaying nga 12 ditë (gjithsej 104). I theu këmbën 5 javë më parë dhe ishte në asnjë shtet për të udhëtuar. Prindërit e mi janë të lindur si në Greqi dhe kanë nënshtetësi greke, si edhe. I ranë në shërbimin policor në Aeroportin Ndërkombëtar të Athinës, dhe është këshilluar si prindërit e mi janë greke, që automatikisht më bën që të konsiderohet si një qytetar grek (gjendja njëjta vlen edhe me shërbimin ushtarak). Kështu që unë mund të largohet tani me asnjë problem.

Kat Përgjigje:

George - Pa e ditur të gjithë historinë ose detajet e rastit tuaj, rasti juaj në kundërshtim me përvojat personale të njerëzve unë e di. Shtetësia nuk është automatikisht transferueshme pa kaluar nëpër procesin formal të aplikimit për shtetësi, atëherë një pasaportë.

Megjithatë, është e vërtetë se në qoftë se ju jeni me origjinë greke (kjo nuk është në lidhje me shtetësinë), detyrimet ushtarake greke do të caktohet pa marrë parasysh çfarë. Pa një përjashtim nga zyra e rekrutimit ushtarak grek, njerëzit me origjinë greke janë të lejuar të jetë në Greqi për 30 ditë në një vit kalendarik, ose deri në 90 ditë për një vizë Shengen vetëm; me një certifikatë të huaj rezident, 6 muaj në një vit kalendarik. Në të gjitha rastet, ata nuk duhet të punojnë.

Ndoshta ata janë të lejuar për shkak të butësi këmbën tuaj të thyer. Jenë të përgatitur për të dhënë emrin e personit që ju këshilloi ose të sigurojë dokumentacionin autoriteteve në rast se ju jeni në pyetje pas daljes. Që ju në fakt nuk kanë nënshtetësi greke apo një pasaportë greke, ata do të shikojmë në pasaportën tuaj jo-grek, shihni kur keni hyrë dhe pyesin se pse ju jeni mbi 90 ditë.

Unë kam dëgjuar të njerëzve duke u thënë çdo gjë është në rregull; atëherë kur ata përpiqen për të lënë, kjo nuk është në rregull. Në qoftë se ata pretendojnë "prindërit e mi janë grekë", pa pasur një pasaportë ose shtetësinë vetë, atëherë ata kishin për të siguruar një përjashtim. Nëse ata nuk e bënë, ata janë mbajtur në vend, hartuar dhe se ishte ajo.

PS 90 + 12 = 102 ditë; në qoftë se është 104 ditë, atëherë ju keni overstayed 14 ditë.

George shkroi @ 5 shtator, 2007 në 09:34

Unë kam këmbë shkalle 4 Byroja ndryshme huaj dhe policisë nga Aeroporti në Athinë, unë nuk kam asnjë problem me overstaying 90 ditë si unë jam i prindërve greke. Unë kam qenë edhe këshilluar nga unë konsullatë në Australi, që unë nuk do të jetë subjekt i sundimit 30 ditë, pasi unë nuk kam qenë i regjistruar në Greqi. Ju nuk mund të marrin një "monimou poistopioitiko të exoterikou", nëse nuk janë regjistruar.

Mendimet tuaja?

Kat Përgjigje:

Mendimet e mia janë se ka diçka kontradiktore këtu. Nga njëra anë, ju nuk jeni të regjistruar në Greqi, por janë justifikuar nga rregulli 90 ditë për shkak se prindërit e tu janë greke (dhe për këtë arsye kështu jeni ju). Nga ana tjetër, ju jeni të justifikohet edhe nga duke u hartuar për shkak se ju nuk jeni regjistruar, edhe pse prindërit e tu janë greke (dhe për këtë arsye kështu jeni ju).

Sipas mendimit tim dhe ato të grekëve dhe autoriteteve unë konsultuar tjera, disa ligje janë duke u vendosur, sepse ju theu këmbën tuaj (a, arsye e ligjshme papritur) dhe janë duke qenë i sinqertë.

Gëzojnë dhuratën e butësisë :) Keni një udhëtim shtëpi të sigurt!

Becky shkroi @ 26 tetor, 2007 në 12:16

Unë jam një kanadez 18 vit të ndihmuar një familje me katërfishtë tyre. Unë nuk e kanë kaluar ende vizën time 90 ditë. edhe pse im nuk jam i sigurt se çfarë kuptimi është - është kjo vula i mori në Athinë? Ashtu si kjo nuk ishte një vizë zyrtar si të thuash.

Im am desparate për të qëndruar një të zgjatur të vizave / vulën time dhe unë natyrisht që nuk do të shpërdoroj 90 ditët, por unë dua të aplikojnë për zgjerimin. Pyetja ime është ajo që me të vërtetë janë shembuj të rrethanave të veçanta. Unë mendoj faktin se im ndihmuar me të gjitha foshnjat si mama e vetme cna't përballuar nuk e prerë fare mustardë? Ndonjë këshillë do të PRANUAR mirënjohje çdo shtyrje do të ndihmojë.

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I kam këshillën tuaj, por gjithsesi im diçka optimiste dhe postiive mirë do të ndodhë. Unë nuk duhet të kalojnë nëpër të gjithë atë punë. Faleminderit gjithsesi.

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I kam extension time me asnjë problem në të gjitha, unë isha duke pritur një shumë telashe. Polici më tha se çfarë një optimist zonjushë unë jam.

Kat Përgjigje:

Becky, unë jam i kënaqur që ju mori extension tuaj, por ju lutem mos më thoni se ishte vetëm për shkak se ju jeni "një grua e re optimist." Kjo nuk është. Në fakt, unë nuk mund të besoj se ju keni guximin të kthehen dhe të mburrem kur ju e bëri absolutisht asgjë.

Pesë ditë pasi kam biseduar me ju, Niki juaj afërm postuar në një forum lutur për ndihmë se si të merrni zgjatet viza juaj. Ajo ishte duke marrë këshilla të këqija, askush nuk mund të të ndihmojë të saj (për t'ju ndihmuar), kështu që unë u përgjigjur, i dha një lidhje në këtë artikull të saj dhe i tha asaj për të ndiqni udhëzimet. Ky ishte i pari ajo do të dëgjuar ndonjëherë për atë që ju u ul në një $$ dhe lënë pas dore për të treguar ndonjë gjë e saj në lidhje me këtë artikull apo këshillat unë ju ka dhënë.

Unë gjithashtu nuk e di pse keni qenë duke pritur probleme. Të gjitha unë tha se ishte e nevojshme për ju të paktën të përpiqet për të aplikuar dhe për të bërë diçka në vend të ulur prapa qenit "optimiste dhe pozitive", dhe duke pritur për zgjidhje të bjerë nga qielli. Nga të gjitha llogaritë, ju me të vërtetë duhet të kthehet në Kanada.

Të jetë mirënjohës që kam gjetur Niki në forum, dhe Niki shkoi nëpër telashe për t'ju ndihmuar, jo mendjemadh për veten. Sidomos pasi që unë e di që përfundoi nuk ndihmon Niki fare me foshnjat dhe duke lënë Greqinë për të udhëtuar. Shumë egoist dhe sjellje përbuzës.

Frank shkroi @ 13 nëntor, 2007 në 09:23

Unë vetëm dua të sqaroj rregullin Shengen. 90 ditë nga 180 do të thotë vetëm se. Merrni ndonjë periudhë prej 180 ditësh, thonë Jan 1 nëpër Jun 30. Nëse keni shpenzuar më shumë se 90 ditë në Shengen gjatë kësaj periudhe, atëherë ju shkelin rregullin. Tani lëvizur dritaren që Feb 1 deri Jul 30 Same 90 nga 180 zbatohet.

Bottom line: kalimit të kufirit në një vend jo-Shengen dhe pastaj ri-hyjnë nuk do të ndihmojë në qoftë se ju jeni në kufirin 90 ditë. E vetmja gjë që do të ndihmojë është për të lënë Shengen dhe të qëndrojnë jashtë për një të plotë 90 ditë.

Për ata njerëz që duhet të jenë në Greqi për një kohë të gjatë, thonë se 180 ditë nga 1 janar përmes Jun 30, atëherë ju duhet të kalojnë të paktën 90 të atyre ditëve (thonë Mar 1 deri 30 maj) në Turqi apo disa të tjera vend jo-Shengen.

Btw Greqia është i vetmi vend në Shengen e cila në mënyrë aktive zbatimin e këtë rregull dhe vlerësimin gjoba për turistët nga Amerika dhe vende të tjera të zhvilluara (të tjera se "turistë" që mori në telashe me policinë për ndonjë arsye tjetër). Me sa duket, vendet e tjera të Shengenit janë më të shqetësuar se Greqia gati ndërprerë rrjedhën e dollarë turistike.

Dhe po, po, unë e di se Shtetet e Bashkuara është edhe më e vështirë se sa Greqia në lidhje me vizat turistike. Dukshëm Shtetet e Bashkuara (e cila ka deficitin më të madh tregtar në historinë e botës), mendon se ka edhe më pak nevojë se Greqisë për shkëmbimin e të huaj.

Karen shkroi @ 21 nëntor 2007 në 11:04

Vetëm një pyetje në lidhje me pagimin e gjobave, një herë për overstaying vizave të 90-ditor Shengen.

Im gati për të dalë Francën në pasaportë Australiane pas overstaying dhe një nga pak kohë '' Frank posterat tuaj të përmendur në këtë temë se:

Btw Greqia është i vetmi vend në Shengen e cila në mënyrë aktive zbatimin e këtë rregull dhe vlerësimin gjoba për turistët nga Amerika dhe vende të tjera të zhvilluara (të tjera se "turistë" që mori në telashe me policinë për ndonjë arsye tjetër).

Si funksionon Frank di se Greqia është i vetmi vend në mënyrë aktive zbatimin gjobën? Im i kërkuar nga curiousity, si unë jam i qartë duke shpresuar se Franca nuk është!

A e dini nëse shuma e gjobës (600-1300euros) vlerësohet në bazë të kohëzgjatjes së të rrinin apo diçka më shumë arbitrare (të tilla si disponimin e zyrtarit emigracionit në ditë)?

Ive qenë duke pasur probleme të mëdha të gjetur ndonjë gjë në të gjitha në net për gjobave / dënimeve, kështu që çdo këshillë që ju mund të jepni do të jetë much appreciated.

Cheers, Karen

Kat Përgjigje:

Për të qenë i sinqertë, ju nuk duhet të kërkoni në këtë post që nga këto dënime janë vetëm për Greqinë. E kuptoj mirë informacioni është i pakët, por unë vetëm dua të kujtoj të gjithëve se çdo vend i Shengenit ka rregulla të ndryshme, siç unë them në postin tim. (Karen, unë nuk jam sharje ty, unë thjesht nuk dua të gjithëve kërkuar këshillën time për çdo vend të zonës Shengen, si unë jam një person privat jep rregullat ashtu siç është shkruar për Greqinë, jo një zyrtar publik ose oficeri i emigracionit për të gjithë zonën Shengen.)

Frank është një turist amerikan në pension dhe e bazon njohuritë e tij në faktin se ai shkon duke udhëtuar çdo vit për periudha të rëndësishme, zakonisht 6 muaj në zonën Shengen.

Nëse janë apo jo ju jeni duke shikuar edhe në ose se sa ju jeni gjobitur është thjesht diskrecioni i personit që kalon gjykim; kjo nuk ka rëndësi se sa kohë më parë ju kaluar afati - Unë e kam njohur njerëzit që overstayed një ditë dhe gjobitur me 500 euro dhe njerëzit që overstayed 4 muaj dhe gjobitur të njëjtën gjë. Nëse vendi është e lidhur me sistemin kompjuterik Shengen (unë nuk e di se cilat janë apo nuk janë), pasaporta juaj do të skanuar, dhe dikush në kundërshtim do të jetë automatikisht me flamur pa marrë parasysh se çfarë janë vulat në pasaportën tuaj. Nëse ata nuk janë të lidhur me kompjuterin, ai mund të le ju me pa një shikim, ose të bëjë matematikë në kokën e tij.

Në të dyja rastet, zyrtari i emigracionit mund të vendosë për të bërë diçka ... apo jo. Nëse jeni të le të shkojë, të jenë të lumtur dhe të jetë në rrugën tuaj. Nëse ju nuk jeni, ai do t'ju hyjë në kompjuter dhe për të vlerësuar një gjobë. Ju atëherë keni zgjedhur të paguajnë gjobën apo jo. Nëse ju paguani, i madh. Nëse jo, ju rrezikoni që në listën e zezë (siç thashë) në kompjuter dhe / ose në pasaportën tuaj për deri në 5 vjet. Nëse ju provoni dhe të hyjë në zonën Shengen para afatit 5-vjeçar, kushdo që ju merrni pas hyrjes përsëri do të ketë zgjedhje të lejuar të paguajë gjobën dhe të ju lejojnë kalimin ose thjesht që t'ju largojë.

Ata me gjasë nuk e mërzit Frank, sepse ai është i mirë-folur, i sjellshëm, shëndoshë financiarisht dhe ekspozitave sjellje të mirë. Është besimi ynë se goditjes kanë më shumë gjasa për shkelësit e përsëris, turistët vareshin / backpackers, huliganët e futbollit, njerëzit duke pretenduar të jetë turistët, por po përpiqen të ikin nga vendi i tyre dhe të punojnë në mënyrë të paligjshme, etj

Ky është informacion të dorës së parë që kam marrë nga Frank, pasi që unë jam një qytetar amerikan me vendbanim të BE-së dhe vetëm overstayed një herë 11 vjet më parë dhe të paguar gjobën time.

Fakti se Greqia është më e rreptë është dokumentuar në nenet e udhëtimit dhe të udhëzon, të tilla si Planet Lonely dhe Rough Guides.

Buzëqeshje dhe shpresa për të mirë! :)

Debra shkroi @ 7 dhjetor, 2007 në 22:08

Kjo është një histori për të qenë injorant i këtij rregulli 90 ditor brenda vendeve Shengen ... dhe Greqisë. Djali im ka qenë duke udhëtuar në vendet e Shengenit që nga gushti 07. Ai e la Greqinë disa ditë më parë për të shkuar në Stamboll. Ajo ishte mbi nisjes se ai ishte i tronditur për të dëgjuar këtë rregull prej 90 ditësh ... dhe roja grek kërkoi që ai të paguajë një gjobë. Djali im mendonte se kjo ishte ishte e gjitha e përbërë dhe ai mendoi se ai dëgjoi 6000 euro !! Djali im nuk kishte atë lloj të parave. Unë mendoj se ai misheard, kjo ishte ndoshta 600. Ai nuk ka paguar. Anyways pasaporta e tij është vulosur nga grekët pas largimit dhe info është vërejtur në sistemin kompjuterik grek. Ai thotë se vula është purpl-ish blu, një pullë drejtkëndëshe në faqen e parë,, të gjitha në gjuhën greke dhe gjysmë smudged, datat palexueshme. The dilemna është se ai do të fluturonte në aeroport Basel / Mulhound / Freiberg në disa ditë, ulje, ne besojmë, në anën zvicerane. Ajo që unë kam qenë në gjendje për të konstatuar, përmes folur për zvicerane dhe Belgjika konsullatave, është se ajo është një situatë arbitrar nëse zyrtari i emigracionit do të shikojmë edhe në pasaportën kanadez, është e mundur që ai do të tundnin përmes ... Nëse ai ka marrë ndalur ajo është ende arbritary nëse ata do të veprojnë në të .... por në qoftë se ata veprojnë në atë se ai do të jetë i ndaluar në ARIPORT dhe ata do ta ndihmojë atë në gjetjen e një fluturim out..to Mbretërinë e Bashkuar apo Kanada. Në folur në konsullatën Belgjikë, ajo ishte tronditur në këtë informacion në lidhje me grekët gjobitjes njerëzit. ajo tha se në Belgjikë ato lëshojnë një letër duke kërkuar që ju të lënë brenda një jave, dhe ata do të kontrolloni brenda një muaji. Vetëm në rastet penale ata përcjellje yo në aeroport. Konsullata zvicerane u trondit edhe në gjobë. Ai tha se ata nuk do të presin pagesën si ata nuk janë pjesë e vendeve të Shengenit, dhe konsullata Belgjika thanë ata njerëz jo të mirë. kështu që është përvoja jonë deri tani dhe ne do të shohim se çfarë në të vërtetë ndodh kur ai merr në Zvicër. Unë do të postoni, nëse lexuesit tuaj të interesuar.
vlerësoi gjetur këtë informacion në faqen tuaj te internetit. / Dhe do të mirëpresim çdo reagime. cheers.

Kat Përgjigje:

Pullat e dënimeve nuk janë një ngjyrë standarde në Greqi; kjo është çdo gjë që ata kanë në dorë - blu, e zezë, e kuqe, të purpurt, etj Unë kurrë nuk tha se njerëzit janë nisur drejt kufirit për overstaying, vetëm deportimin.

Si unë them në Warning tim dhe Lirimi, Greqia është një "Rezultatet mund të ndryshojnë", vendi dhe kështu që është mjaft e gabuar për të krahasuar atë që vendet e tjera të bëjë, mendoj apo thonë.

Unë e kam thënë shumë e shumë çdo gjë ekziston në këtë temë dhe të mbuluara tashmë gjëra të përsëritura, kështu që unë nuk kam asnjë reagime të mëtejshme.

Ina wrote @ December 30th, 2007 at 01:17

Hi Kat you seem to know a lot about this stuff,

Do you know if its possible to get a multiple entry visa for students studying abroad in greece?

Kat Përgjigje:

Ina – Most student visas are single entry, but you really need to check with the Consulate regarding multiple entry visas. I do not represent them nor do I have first-hand experience in that area, so I am not the best person to ask.

Brad wrote @ January 3rd, 2008 at 19:03

Wondered what your wisdom is on the following timely visa puzzle:

Five months ago, an American has her passport stamped entering Europe via Copenhagen, and then, same day, gets stamped exiting Schengen via German land border to Poland.

Now, 5 months later, after inadvertantly overstaying 3 month tourist visa in Poland, she has return flight to USA via Copenhagen but is concerned about overstay penalties.

With recent Schengen changes, seems she can get back up to Copenhagen by land without encountering passport control. But how will Copenhagen customs treat this passport?

Will they view it as being stamped exited Schengen long ago (before Poland became Schengen) and hence as not overstaying normal Schengen 3 month visa and therefore as “legal”, or will they view it as failing to leave the (now expanded) Schengen region before the allowed 3 months ended and hence as “illegal'? And if “illegal” then what penalties to expect?

Thanks for any feedback on this matter…

Kat Përgjigje:

Brad – I've done no land crossings from Poland, Germany or anywhere else AND I don't know your friends or what they did, so I can't dispute or confirm they say. As I've said before, your friend has overstayed her POLISH visa no matter how you look at it — when someone stays 5 months on a 3-month visa, they are not legit and there's nothing ambiguous about it. It's NOT about Schengen. If you think that because she's outrun the Polish authorities that someone else won't enforce the law for them, think again.

When she gets to Copenhagen, she will absolutely go through passport control on her way to the USA, who will see that she traversed German-Poland 5 months ago, then nothing transpired after that. YOU see her arrival in Copenhagen as “entry” to Schengen. THEY see it as: “Where the hell has she been for 5 months? She's trying to pull something.” They see people like this every day. If she doesn't have stamps or documentation proving where she's been, it's assumed she's guilty of something. (ie I once had to get out boarding passes to prove my innocence). I'll repeat myself again: Whether they even care or do anything about it is up to the person passing judgment. They may not even notice. I have nothing more to add. All the best!

FMS shkroi @ 4 janar, 2008 në 23:53

Brad: ka një artikull në Migracionit fletë informative [një revistë profesionale] janar 2008 duke deklaruar se, deri më tani, amerikanët në Poloni gjithë u lejuan për të ripërtërirë vizat e tyre një kohë të pacaktuar, thjesht duke udhëtuar në një vend të afërt dhe të aplikoni për një vizë polake nga të Konsullata atje. Por tani që Polonia është në Shengen, ky opsion është i përjashtuar.

Guess im është se për një periudhë shumë të shkurtër kohe, njerëzit që udhëtojnë jashtë Polonisë do të trajtohen me disa fleksibilitet, pasi ndryshimi është aq i kohëve të fundit. Unë dyshoj se ka ndonjë rregullat për këtë edhe pse, kështu që ju jeni në mëshirën e çdo roje kufitare. Ajo do të jetë më mirë për të aplikuar për një vizë Shengen nga një vend tjetër, në mënyrë që të kalojnë nëpër Kopenhagë dhe të kthehet në SHBA. Nga ana tjetër, ka viza tranzite-në dispozicion vetëm: Unë dyshoj se amerikanët ndonjëherë përdorin ato edhe pse: ata janë të dizajnuara për shtetasit "e vështirë" vendet e varfra.

Shënim nga Kat: shënim i shkëlqyer, FMS. Megjithatë, siç e kuptoj unë, shoku Brad ka shmangur ose planifikon të shmanget kontrollit kufitar polak, kështu që nuk mund të përcaktohet vendndodhja e saj. Por siç e kam përsëritur shumë, shumë herë (dhe ju përsëritet përsëri), rojet kufitare mund ose nuk mund të kujdesen.

Phillip shkroi @ 7 janar, 2008 në 01:10

Tetorin e kaluar, miku im kanadez u ndalua për pak kohë në aeroportin e Frankfurtit, sepse ajo qëndroi në Santorini për 9 muaj në një vizë turistike, kështu që kur ajo doli në BE nëpërmjet Frankfurtit, ata kishin disa pyetje të mëdha për të. Nuk mbaj mend nëse ajo kishte për të paguar një gjobë, por ajo u ndalua nga BE-ja për gjashtë muaj (jo se që me të vërtetë i prekur e saj ... ajo nuk ishte duke planifikuar të kthehen deri në këtë pranverë), dhe kjo ishte një përvojë mjaft stresues . Pra, nuk rrinin një vizë!

Gary shkroi @ 8 mars, 2008 në 08:41

Kat, ju duhet të gati çmendem pasur nevojë për të përsëritur veten aq shpesh, mbi dhe mbi përsëri. Në rrezik për të bërë ju ndonjë crazier, unë vetëm do të doja të pyesni për sqarim të shkurtër të asaj që unë e kuptoj që ju të keni shkruar disa herë, në një tone pak të ndryshme. Kat, unë jam një qytetar amerikan i ulur këtu në SHBA. Vajza ime kryesohet nga këtu për Santorini në fillim të prillit. Ajo ka në plan të plotë për të qëndruar atje, në një apartament të bukur në studio në një vendpushim të bukur, për gjashtë (6) muaj. Ajo kryeson përsëri në SHBA më 30 shtator, 2008. si ju, dhe zyra e konsullatës greke në Atlanta, Gjeorgji, kanë vënë në dukje, si një qytetar amerikan që ajo nuk ka nevojë për një vizë Shengen për të hyrë në Greqi, vetëm pasaportën e saj amerikane. Tani, në qoftë se unë jam duke dëgjuar ju duhet, dhe unë jam në mënyrë të arsyeshme i sigurt se unë jam, duke supozuar se ajo mban nga fatkeqësia, ndërsa atje, që kur ajo përpiqet për të lënë Greqinë, nëpërmjet të Athinës, në Londër, në SHBA, ajo do të më shumë se sa ka gjasa të jetë pyetje në lidhje rrinin saj 90 ditor. Kur ajo nuk ka shpjegim të mirë për t'i dhënë atyre (duke mbajtur parasysh se ajo është 23 yo, një grad folur mirë kolegj, i veshur mirë, edhe tërheqës, dhe duket të jetë mjaft mirë jashtë financiarisht), ata ndoshta do të qortojë atë dhe të paraqesë atë me një gjobë prej 600 deri 1300 euro. Kur ajo pastaj kërkon falje për shkeljen e saj dhe shpejt ofron të paguajë gjobën e saj, dhe e bën këtë, ata do të le të saj të kalojë nëpër (pa të meta të keqe në pasaportën e saj), dhe ajo do të jetë në rrugën e saj në shtëpi. Saktë? Ajo gjithashtu do të, me gjasë, nuk kanë asnjë problem në Londër, ose, kur ajo ndryshon aeroplanë. Correct përsëri? Një pikë interesante që unë dua të bëj; Kur e pyeta zotëri greke, në Atlanta bazuar, greke Konsullata, atë që ai do të këshillojë, pasi që unë e dinte se ajo ishte premeditating gjashtë (6) muaj, dhe i thashë atij saktësisht se, ai sugjeroi ajo thjesht qëndrojnë gjashtë muaj dhe të paguajnë atë gjobë në mënyrë për të dalë. Ai madje sugjeroi që ajo të kontaktoni autoritetet lokale, pas mbërritjes në Greqi, dhe i pyet ata se çfarë do të gjobën. : o)) Kat, mund të unë ju lutem të marrë sqarime tuaj të, apo marrëveshje me, atë që unë mendoj se unë e kuptoj që të jetë rasti, dhe ndoshta reagimi juaj për këshilla nga Konsullata? Faleminderit, Gary

Kat Përgjigje:

Gary, unë shkoj pak i çmendur ose paduruar nganjëherë me mesazhe praktike në këtë faqe në përgjithësi, sepse kam shpenzuar shumë kohë të lirë zbuluar absolutisht gjithçka që di mbi këtë temë, dhe përgjigjet janë të përfshira tashmë në artikull, por njerëzit ose nuk lexojnë me kujdes ose janë në kërkim për siguri nga mua sikur unë mund të parashikojë të ardhmen, ose po mbajnë diçka mbrapa. Unë nuk mund dhe unë nuk jam.

Lidhur me vajzën tuaj, gjithçka Konsullata tha ju është ajo që kam deklaruar në artikullin tim. Përgjigjet në të gjitha pyetjeve tuaja, përveç njërit janë të mbuluara edhe në artikull, por unë do të ju jap siguri ju kërkoni, sepse unë jam ndjenjë bujare sot dhe ju ishin shumë të sjellshëm.
- Nuk ka rëndësi se çfarë ajo duket si apo niveli i saj i arsimit; ata nuk pyesin për kredencialet apo të japë teste në kufi, dhe pasuria e perceptuar dhe atraktiviteti ka të ngjarë të punojnë kundër saj, nëse ajo merr një grua. Ajo vetëm varet nga disponimin e personit që kalon gjykimin, prandaj një gjobë nuk mund të parashikohet paraprakisht
- Greqia mund të merret me të, ose të zgjidhni të mos merren me të dhe le të Londrës të bëjë atë që kjo është pika e saj absolut i fundit i dalje nga BE-ja (në Mbretërinë e Bashkuar ka autoritet policore)
- Unë jam i befasuar zotëri në Konsullatë i dha të njëjtën këshillë unë kam lidhje me vetëdije overstaying, po si ata ishin parë duke u përpjekur të trembë njerëzit duke gënjyer me ta në lidhje me qenien gjobë 1000 euro në ditë
- Nëse ajo është gjobitet kudo përgjatë rrugës (Greqi, Londër), ajo nuk do të marrë një shenjë në pasaportën e saj nëse ajo paguan immediately
- Unë nuk do të sugjeroja të saj njoftimit autoritetet lokale greke të rrinë së saj të ndërgjegjshëm që kjo nuk është e sigurt se ajo do të trajtohen në Greqi dhe për këtë arsye është duke bërë thirrje vëmendjen për veten pa nevojë

Unë shpresoj se vajza juaj ka një qëndrim të bukur!

PS Ju shikoni 30 komentet për këtë post, por ka të vërtetë janë më shumë se 50; Unë jam i sigurt që ju mund të imagjinojmë se çfarë thonë të tjerët / pyes. I botuar juaji sepse keni pasur diçka të re për të kërkuar. Material të ri nga komentatorët sjellshme që lexojnë artikullin janë gjithmonë të mirëpritura, sepse ajo shton diskutimin dhe ndihmon të gjithë.

pjeshkë shkroi @ 17 prill, 2008 at 14:59

Unë duhet të pyesni një pyetje çfarë do të thotë nga autoritetet e aeroportit në aeroportin grek? Unë jam kanadez dhe unë jam duke fluturuar direkt nga Greqia në Kanada ekziston një lloj i kontrollit kufitar në aeroport, kur unë jam duke fluturuar direkt në Kanada apo vetëm të kontrollit kufitar e zakonshme që unë duhet të kalojnë nëpër në Kanada? Unë kam qenë duke fluturuar mbrapa dhe me radhë në Greqi për disa disa vite tani dhe unë vetëm kam kaluar ndonjëherë nëpër Schipol dhe aty është vendi ku kam takuar kontrollit kufitar .. Pra me pak fjalë jam unë për t'u takuar me të njëjtën kontrollin e kufirit si në Schipol këtu në Athinë Greqi?

Kat Përgjigje:

Po. Të gjitha aeroportet kanë autoritetet e Aeroportit (kufirin / kontrollin e pasaportave, policinë e aeroportit, inspektorët e doganave, etj). Marrëveshja Shengen (bashkëpunimi) i ka hequr disa kontrolle. Prandaj, në qoftë se ju keni qenë tashmë përmes kontrollit të pasaportës / kufitar në një vend Shengen, ju nuk do të kontrollohet përsëri në qoftë se ju jeni ulje në një vend tjetër Schengen. Kjo është arsyeja pse ju nuk jeni kontrolluar këtu në GR qoftë se ju keni bërë tashmë atë në Schipol. Nëse për shembull ju fluturojnë Kanada-ATH direkt ose ATH-Kanada të drejtpërdrejtë, ju do të kontrollohet në GR. Kjo është shpjeguar në artikullin, "vende aktual Shengen."

Nëse ata nuk e vulosë pasaportën tuaj pas mbërritjes në çdo vend, atëherë: a) Ata lehtë mund të shikoni atë deri në kompjuter - pasaporta juaj biometrike ishte skanuar me hyrjen; b) ata mund të pyesin dhe t'ju kërkojë për të prodhuar cung ajrore nga fluturimi juaj e fundit, nëse ata dyshojnë se ju jeni mbi 90 ditë në 180 ditë; ose c) asgjë.

Angie shkroi @ 30 Prill, 2008 në 13:38

Ok, so here's my situation:

My 90 day student visa expired yesterday. My classes, however, are not finished for another 2 weeks. When I first applied for the visa in the US (my home country) I was told by the consulate that I could not get a visa for longer than 90 days (something about their system not being updated) and that I would have to apply for an extension when the time came. I didn't think 2 weeks was a big deal and didn't plan on extending, until now, after reading this page. My question is: is there anything I can do now? Since I have entered illegal status, am I even allowed to apply for an extension? (In the article you said no, but could the fact that my semester isn't finished yet change anything?) If I do go to apply for an extension, will they see that I am illegal and deport me?

Yikes!

PS What a valuable website, for everything…I wish I found it sooner!

Kat Përgjigje:

A – Hi there. There are no visas for over 90 days at this time; it has nothing to do with their system being updated. The thing that strikes me is that you were told from the start that you would indeed need to apply for an extension, but didn't.

Since you are over the 90 days, you can no longer apply for an extension, although I'm sure they would have given it to you because you have a legitimate reason. You can't apply because an extension implies they are giving further validity to something that is in force. As your visa is expired, there is nothing valid to extend.

Nowhere in the article do I say you can be deported for overstaying your visa. Deportation usually happens for a serious reason — working illegally, committing a crime, being caught sneaking into the country, violating a blacklist, etc.

When you leave GR, border/passport control will decide what to do with you as I detail in the article. Let you go or not, fine or not. They may be sympathetic if you show them your paper, but maybe not. It's up to them, and there's nothing more you can do. Just hope for the best!

Britt wrote @ May 4th, 2008 at 20:46

I am a student studying on Paros Island for three months. I arrived in Paris Feb. 27 and will be leaving on June 2. This means I am on day 68 of 97 days in Greece.

I was somewhat aware of the regulations before I got here, but didn't have enough time to get a student visa since the process takes quite some time. I have been traveling in The Netherlands and Italy as well, which I know are both part of the agreement, but an not time has my passport ever been stamped. I entered the EU through Paris (as my first stop from Boston) and arrived in Greece 8 days later, but was never stamped at any time. There is no record of my arrival within my passport, and I don't believe it was ever scanned upon entry.

A duhet të jetë i shqetësuar? When I leave on June 1, I am flying to Amsterdam first, not directly to the states, so I am staying in the Shengen. Will I be questioned in Greece before I leave? And how would I go about trying to get an extension for 90+ days if I do not have a stamp letting the authorities know when I arrived here? Your guidelines say that would be necessary.

Thanks so much for all this information. Hopefully it will help me figure out my return home.

Kat Përgjigje:

Hi B, a student visa might not have mattered in your case, since it would have still only been for 90 days maximum, however (like the previous commentator, Angie) your overstay will not be huge. You're in a situation where you could apply for an extension, however it will cost you 464 euros. Is that a lot for 7 days? Depends. If border/passport control lets you pass without a glance and without a fine, then 464 euros is a lot. If border/passport control does NOT let you pass and fines you 600-1300 euros, then 464 euros is a small amount.

The problem is, none of us has any idea what will happen to you so it's impossible to say which is better. It then comes down to what you're comfortable with and what chances you want to take.

Greek authorities might let your layover country (Netherlands) deal with you since that's your last point of departure before the USA. They may be more lenient than GR, so that's something else you should consider (and be happy about). If you're a respectable girl, and I expect you are, that's also a plus.

Aimee wrote @ May 13th, 2008 at 01:25

All the information posted on this site has been highly appreciated and I would like to thank you in advance for any suggestions you can give me.

My situation is the following:
I am a canadian ctiizen and have been living within the European Union (between spain and italy) for quite some time now. ( I have been living illegally for three years and have only been able to do so since finding a route where officals do not stamp my passport when I leave..) I have no visa or permit and have not returned to canada since last august 07. (Therefore the last stamp I have was on re-entering spain in august 07.)

My parents are coming to visit me this coming june and we have planned a trip through Greece and Turkey. I am starting to stress out about going to Turkey because I know I am at risk of not being able to return back into the european union or be overly fined for my long overstay. My questions are 1) Will I have to pass through border control leaving Greece by Ferry boat to Turkey (or just as Im hoping, pass border control only when entering Turkey)? 2) Can Greek officals ban me from entering the Shengen zone again after leaving, or just fine me?

Any answers or suggestions will be more than helpfull

…besides the obvious suggestion of getting legal residency in the european union…which im working on ;)
Thanks, Aimee

Kat Përgjigje:

Aimee, in response to your questions:

1) Your passport will likely be checked both when entering Turkey, and again when re-entering Greece. After all, you are crossing the border to another country that isn't in Schengen or the EU, then back again. When you enter Turkey, local authorities can grant you permission to travel visa-less for 72 hours or you'll have the option to purchase one on arrival, since Canadians technically need one; I assume you knew that since it is easily looked up on the Consulate's website.

2) According to the major companies I consulted (Minoan, Blue Star, Superfast, Louis), they all say the same thing. All passengers are required to have a valid passport and other travel documents (visas, etc.) to travel to another country. In the event authorities find an irregularity and/or prevent you from continuing yr journey, you will be responsible for whatever penalty is assessed. If immigration officials refuse you entry back to Greece, you can be sent back to Turkey or Canada at your expense. There's no way to predict what Greek authorities will do in your case, if anything. That's a risk you'll need to assess.

One last note, there's no way you can establish legal residency without proof you entered Spain, Italy or any EU country legally. And that proof usually comes in the form of a passport stamp.

Cheers and best of luck!

Angie shkroi @ 18 maj, 2008 at 07:54

Hi përsëri, Kat. Firstly thank you for responding to my last post. Secondly, I have another question, this time a bit more urgent. I've just broken my front tooth in half and need to go to the dentist asap to have it repaired, and will probably require a root canal as well. In the meantime, since my student visa expired, my status is illegal! What does this mean? Will I still be able to get help from a dentist? Also, any advice on how to go about doing so? Assuming the answer is positive, with no insurance and illegal status will it cost me an arm and a leg?

I'm sorry to bother you with this, but I really feel helpless/scared at the moment. Any advice or information you can offer me is greatly welcomed and appreciated.

Kat Përgjigje:

Angie, I'm answering you right away because your need is obviously urgent. Your expired visa has nothing to do with seeking help from a dentist. Anyone will be happy to help you, though I'm not sure what it will cost. You need to find a dentist and ask. It varies by dentist, same as back home.

If you have travel insurance, check with the carrier to see what you need to do. Usually you pay first, and then they reimburse you, though some policies (rare) have providers you can look up on a list. If you don't have any insurance, you can pay cash…cash is still king.

So how do you find a dentist? I would ask a friend, fellow student, professor or counselor for a recommendation, since it's likely someone at school will know someone who speaks English and is near where you're staying. My dentist is some distance away in the northern suburbs, so that might not be incredibly convenient for you.

Contact me again if you have trouble.

Tina wrote @ June 9th, 2008 at 09:59

My boyfriend has dual citizenship American and Greek. He went to Greece and extended his ticket which went over 30 days. He was detained at the airport and told he had military obligations and needed to serve another 60 days.

3 years ago he left Greece and was supposed to have gone back and finish within 6 months. He ended up staying in US for 2 1/2 years. He obviously made a huge mistake by extending his ticket and now is stuck there until August when they will serve him his papers. He is not able to leave until he serves his 60 days.

He is starting school at the end of June and is desperately trying to think of ways to get out of there. I did some research and came upon your site which was very helpful. But I still have some questions.

Can he take a boat to Italy and then leave from there with his American passport without a problem? Or will his name show up in the computer system in Italy, if so what happens then? Do they send him back to Greece? Will it make a difference if he leaves from a non Schengen country? Will he even make it out of Greece?

I understand what he did was dumb on all counts and I dont think he should do anything stupid which most likely would land him in jail. I just want to know if there is any way for him to get out without getting in trouble.

I look forward to your reply.

Kat Përgjigje:

Tina, very interesting case.

a) Did he use his Greek or American passport to enter Greece? It makes a difference.
b) Are you saying that he started his military duty years ago, and never finished it?
c) Did he have the permanent resident abroad certificate? From the statement you made about '30 days,' I'm guessing the answer is 'no.'

I can give you a more clear answer with the information above, and priority attention since I understand time is a factor.

Kat

Rebecca wrote @ June 13th, 2008 at 06:20

In three days, I'll go to Greece for an international exchange project- being part of a children camp team. I'll spend 66 days in that camp. My schengen visa can be used within these three months, but the duration of stay is allowed 30 days only. (The travel agency did the wrong application) I plan stay 4 days in Rome before I go back (non-Schengen country).
Is it better to apply visa extension than overstaying? And the extention really costs 456 euros?

Kat Përgjigje:

The same thing I said to Britt a few comments above also applies to you. The cost is not 456 euros, it's 464 euros for an extension. If you overstay and passport control does NOT assess a fine, then 464 euros is a lot. If you overstay and passport control assesses a fine of 600 euros or more, then 464 euros is not a lot. Since you will be departing from Italy and not Greece, it's possible Italy will be more lenient with you, but there's no way to predict what will happen.

I'm guessing it's too late to apply for the correct length visa or force your travel agency to admit their error and fix it??? I always apply for visas very early in case there is a mistake, and I hold people accountable for their errors.

The duration of stay means exactly that — 30 days total in the entire Schengen zone. That means 30 days within the next 90 days, whether it's one continuous stay used all at once or 10 days this month, 10 days next month and 10 months in two months from now.

Kate wrote @ June 17th, 2008 at 20:37

Hi, I am an American student currently working/studying in Denmark. I have a student residence permit that extends from May 5th until August 15th, but I am planning on finishing early on August 1st and spending a week on Kalymnos Island. I would fly out of Athens back to LAX around August 10th or 11th, but I was wondering if I would get hassled by the Greek border patrol for leaving Greece to go to the States instead of Denmark? Does a residence permit in one country in Schengen allow you to travel within Schengen within the time denoted on the permit? I wasn't concerned about it until I read the postings above and now I'm a bit nervous and wondering if I should cancel my flight to Greece and spend some time in Italy instead?

Sadly, the question doesn't end there. My boyfriend is also travelling with me and we're very afraid about his overstay. His 90th day from the day we arrived in Copenhagen in August 6th. Doesn't seem like a big deal right? Just a few days over, but there is a problem. He was on a climbing tour without a visa in Spain earlier this year for about 5-6 weeks. He came back to the US but was only back in the country for 70 days, not 90. So I guess all of this information is going to pop up on the Greek computer and we're going to be in a heap of trouble because we are backpackers (sort of – we don't look like it – and our backpacks will be checked in the terminal).

I can still cancel the trip to Greece and book something else for the two of us. Çfarë do të bëni? He is currently in the South of France and had no problems leaving Denmark and the French customs officials didn't hassle him either. Should we play it safe and go elsewhere and come back to Greece six months from now to avoid being slapped with a fine? I insisted that he come on this trip, so I would gladly pay the fine. However, I don't really carry that much cash on my person. How do you go about paying these people if you are (worst case scenario) caught and slapped with an enormous fine? Can you charge it or is it a chack/bank transfer? I don't want to look like an ass asking a border patrol officer if he'll swipe my Visa card, but 1300 euros is approximately $2015 and that's more than I keep in my checking account when I travel. I would have to put it on a credit card. I'm scared about this trip now and it looks like backing out and scheduling something else would be in our best interest. Any thoughts?

By the way, this site is great. I had no idea what it would be like to go to Greece!

Thanks!

Kat Përgjigje:

Hi Kate, I haven't been to Denmark in ages, but I now have a good friend in Copenhagen so I suppose I'm due.

With regards to you, they can't do anything to you if you have a residence permit valid until Aug 15. It doesn't matter if you're returning to Denmark or not. You're legal.

With regards to your boyfriend, this is one of those 'human factor' situations in which no one can predict the outcome. They may let him go, they may not. Even if it doesn't pop up in the computer (though I'm pretty sure it will), they can assess all of his stamps and do the math. IF they fine him, I doubt it will be 1300 euros if you're polite and respectable, which it sounds like you are.

With regards to method of payment, cash is still king and everyone I know has paid such. I don't remember seeing any swipe machine, but that may have changed. If it didn't change, someone may take your card to a terminal and get it done, or they'll ask you to visit an ATM or bank counter and take a cash advance from your credit card.

In the end, it will be up to you and your boyfriend to decide whether to risk it or not. August is high, high season, so if you're looking for sun, sand and pressing the flesh in a party atmosphere without care for money, you should still come on over. If being here in December when it's a bit chillier, quieter and less expensive is OK with you, maybe it's not a big deal to postpone.

Whatever you decide to do, have a great time! :)

Sheila wrote @ June 19th, 2008 at 00:33

Bless you! As others also affirm, this is an incomparable website. Ju faleminderit!

Just a quickie- i understand all policies, visas, non-visas, extensions etc. but nowhere did I see any kind of reference to any sort of grace period. I too, like the Paros gal studied there for the three month period, but ended up being 10 days over, due to the program not being finished. I was uninformed and found myself interrogated for a few brief moments on the way back through Munich. I met someone very special :-) and have been planning for years to go back and reunite with him. The finances have finally proved to make it feesable…but now, down the line, i remembered that incident. I began investigating and came across some resources that said there is a 10 day grace period to leave the country after the 90 days are up, without “being in trouble” or even subject to fine.

I TOTALLY understand your case-sensitive rationale here, which i'll cross my fingers for! But just wondering if you know of any official documentation of a grace period being allowed when fine cannot be enforced? I know, a long shot…as it looks on here many have suffered from just the day over scenario. Shoot! Any info on the topic?

Thanks a million!

Kat Përgjigje:

I've heard and seen a lot of rumors on 7 days, 10 days and 15 days, but there is no official documentation on a real legal grace period for Schengen. This makes sense to me because otherwise everyone will be pushing the maximum plus. Same vein as the saying, “give an inch, take a mile.”

Marcie Mayer wrote @ July 11th, 2008 at 08:02

FABULOUS site!
1st time in my 25 years here in Greece that I've seen such an informative and well presented package of crucial information.
BRAVO….

Sarah wrote @ July 17th, 2008 at 02:17

Hi Kat
First, I just want to say that this has been BY FAR the most accurate and useful site dealing with legalities in Greece that I have encountered.

I would also like to add some of my experiences so that they could help others. I overstayed by 11 days when I was studying (without a visa) so I urge all prospective students to go through the process and get one! Since I was flying directly to the US (a non Schengen country obviously) I was stopped at customs and taken into an office. When I told them I didn't have the money, they stamped my passport and wrote something on the stamp in Greek.

I only returned home for about 6 weeks between semesters and returned to Greece through Germany this time. When I went through customs (with my Greek student visa) they looked at my passport briefly, stamped me, and let me go on my way. I don't know if they scanned it or not, but since everything on my overstay stamp from Greece was in Greek, I really don't know how they would know what it meant. Since I was already in the EU, I didn't have to go through customs in Greece and figured (stupidly) that I was in the clear. I finished my second semester, and spent a summer on the islands. Since my student visa was a year long, I wasn't too worried when I went to leave Greece for England, and then to America. But I had to go through customs in Greece again because the UK still does border checks. The guy looked at my overstay stamp and asked if I had paid the fine in Germany. I automatically lied and said yes and he stamped my passport and let me go through.

I stayed in America for the next 10 months finishing my degree and then decided to go back to Greece after graduation. Again, I went through London, and when I arrived in Greece I was asked about the stamp. I said I paid it in Germany. The man shook his head and said it was impossible that I could have paid it in Germany since the country I had overstayed in was Greece. He told me I must have been taken advantage of in Germany and I was forced to pay 587.93 euro. before they let me into the country. Thank goodness I had prepared for this just in case. Can you only pay an overstay fine in the country that you are originally fined in? I didn't think so, but this guy said it was so. hmm.

Well, I didn't give up my dream of living in Greece and stayed another year. I was fully prepared that I may get fined again. But I figured I would lessen odds if I didn't have to go through customs in Greece, so I went through Italy. The guy barely raised an eyebrow and stamped me through. I was so relieved.

Here's some words of advice:

1. Get your student visa AHEAD of time. Not surprisingly, many students aren't able to get their visas processed because the embassies usually take more time than expected. Since there are so many documents needed, start the process as early as possible and make sure your school knows what they are talking about. Your school should give you the list of all of the required documents and how to get them.

2. If you know you are going to overstay in Greece, then avoid going through customs there. This means exiting Greece to another Schengen country before a non-Schengen country. But obviously this is not a guarantee by any means!

3. I am not so sure there is a Grace period, I was stamped for an overstay of 11 days! Just know that ahead of time!

4. Be prepared. After I had my passport stamped, I knew that there was a possibility of being fined so I always made sure I had at least 1,000 euros on me when flying in and out of the country. That sounds extreme, but if you KNOW that you are breaking the law and may get caught, then you have to accept the consequences.

And I do have a quick question: I am getting a new passport while here in America. Does anyone know if they will still be able to see my entries and exits via computer on my new blank passport? And if I was not given an overstay stamp for this last period of time, can they force me to pay one when I re-enter with a new passport? (through Italy again.)

I know that you can never fully predict what may happen, just checking if anyone has had a similar experience to this one.
Thanks!

Kat Përgjigje:

Hi S, first of all thank you for sharing your experience because it helps others who are in the same situation and confirms everything I detail in the article.

I've said previously that: Italy is lenient (at least right now); exiting through another country may grant better results; one must accept consequences if consciously overstaying; and one must pay the fine in the country where it occurred. The UK is not part of Schengen, so of course it performs border/passport checks.

In response to your question, I've had the same experience, which I allude to briefly in the article, and it was pre-Schengen. I overstayed, could not pay the fine, was assessed a black mark with a protocol number, went back to the USA, paid the fine and re-entered Greece. They marked that it was paid in my passport, and I was given a receipt by Greek authorities, so I thought it was over; it wasn't. Each time I entered Greece, they pulled me out of line and detained me in a small office; I guess they thought I'd made up the receipt number and mark paid myself, so they questioned me and looked it up in the book every single time. I learned to carry the receipt with me, and they still took me aside, but let me go in a shorter time.

The questioning stopped upon getting a new passport 2 years later; however my belief is that past activity (entries, exits, past violations) is archived, but never gone. Red flags (aka, unpaid fines) will pop up as long as they are outstanding. But if you don't have any unpaid fines and didn't get an overstay stamp last time, there is no reason to think anything will come up on the screen. The decision to punish you must be taken at the time you exited Schengen; no one can retroactively assess a penalty or change their mind.

I'm glad you find this site useful :)

Iva wrote @ July 27th, 2008 at 20:55

Hi Kat……..

i am both a croatian and canadian citizen currently residing in croatia, My boyfriend is a croatian citizen and a pro windsurfer. For the past 4 yrs he has been working in greece at a windsurf station and is very much loved by returning guests, customers and locals in the small cretan village he spends 6 months of every yr in. This is his livelihood and what he lives off for the next 6 mo of the yr. He at no point was aware that he was allowed a maximum stay of 90 days within the country and for the past 4 yrs no border police (or any kind of police for that matter) ever made problems (he always took a ferry from greece to ancona and drove through to croatia). This yr, he decided, was his last yr working in greece but his boss now has become afraid the so called board police will catch him this yr, haul him off to jail and revoke his work licence in essence closing the windsurf station. My boyfriend has recently hurt himself and obtained a note from a greek physician stating that he did not recommend my boyfriend travel back to croatia. The police in sitia (crete) denied this request but stated that if he pay 600 euros a month he will be allowed to stay in the country !?! I have done alot of research and no where have i seen info such as this. They have said he can stay until the end of october if he pays 600 euros a month….so i am at this point completely confused. I have read what you have written above and it seems this is a fine and not an invitation to stay longer in the country.

My questions are as follows: can u pay to overstay in greece (600 euros a month) ? Does my boyfriend have any other options rather than leaving since the season only lasts until the end of october and then we would return to croatia? If border police of a country stamp your passport does that mean the passport is not scanned and entered into the schengen computer system and vise versa?And lastly but most importantly, what are the consequences for employers employing individuals from a non-eu country that are currently there illegally?

Four yeras he has had luck and has not been caught based on the simple fact that he had no idea he was doing something illegal and the border police at the ferries and borders did not bother checking when he entered (he has had no exit stamps for the past 4 yrs). My boyfriend is not a criminal, his record is clean, and he simply would like to spend a final yr doing what he loves. We do not intend on living there so if there is anything that he can do based on the fact that he is an established windsurfer it would be greatly appreciated if you could get back to me as soon as you get a chance.

We have met some amazing people and love the country but getting accurate info in greece is like pulling teeth. Ask a simple question you get 10 different answers…….

thank you in advance for your time.

Kat Përgjigje:

Iva – Hi! Let's cover a few basic things, which are all explained in the article, “ How Americans/non-EU citizens can move, live and work in Greece .”

a) It is the responsibility of visitors to educate themselves about legalities of another country before departure. In this case, your boyfriend could have at any time in the past 4 years gone to the Greek Consulate in Croatia and found out he needed a work visa and permit to work in Greece. He could have also found this information online.

b) Croatian citizens have 90-day Schengen visa-free travel to Greece. Please note that I said TRAVEL. He is technically not permitted to work on a Schengen travel/tourist visa.

c) Your boyfriend's boss didn't complain or disclose the law because it was to his benefit to employ your boyfriend illegally. By employing him illegally, he saved himself tons of bureaucracy, putting up a 3-month deposit, paying thousands of euros in IKA (insurance), dodged taxes and reaped a bigger profit from your boyfriend working there for 4 years.

d) Border police never made trouble because you said he crossed through Italy (another Schengen country, and a lenient one), so of course he never encountered stringent Greek authorities.

Your boyfriend has a legitimate reason to stay in Greece (he's injured) and apply for a visa extension for 464 euros, however he cannot do this because he's technically not a traveler. He's an illegal worker. Therefore, the 600 euros/month is likely:
1) a bribe being requested to keep the police quiet so your boyfriend and his boss aren't taken to court and your boyfriend deported; ose
2) payback for all the years your boyfriend “got away with it” and didn't pay taxes in Greece. It's not a 'fine' because an overstay fine is not assessed until he crosses a border and leaves the Schengen zone. Overstay fines are not assessed by city police, and it most certainly is NOT an invitation to stay. There is no way for your boyfriend to become legal at this point or undo damage done; the only thing he can do is pay the bribe or leave.

When anyone leaves or exits a country, the passport is scanned if there is a computer and stamped. In cases when passports are not stamped, movements can easily be traced if it was scanned as it remains in the computer. Nearly all crossings without a computer have border control that issue stamps. There are people who claim they haven't been scanned or stamped, but most people aren't paying attention during the scanning or indeed border control is lax for whatever reason. Having no stamps or scans isn't always beneficial, contrary to what people think.

The consequences for employers retaining illegal workers are in the thousands of euros (3,000-15,000 euros per worker), jail time up to 3 months and possible closure of a business if it is serious enough. Sometimes bribes are paid to avoid this, sometimes workers are just fired and disappear…or both.

Your boyfriend's credentials as a windsurfer and background only matter if he were going to be employed legally or open his own business. It's too late for that. In the eyes of Greek authorities, he is an illegal worker in Greece. Periudha.

Dina wrote @ July 28th, 2008 at 06:18

I am non-EU & non-America citizen, but I am married to the Greek national and planning soon to travel to Greece. Our marriage had been legalised in Greece, and I am expecting to travel to Greece in late September. The problem is I cannot find anywhere online the documents I have to collect to apply for visa and for how long this visa may last. Would you be able to advise me on this matter?

Kat Përgjigje:

Being as I don't know what citizenship you have, there's no way I can give you specific information; makes no difference who you are married to. You could have read, “ Non-EU countries that enjoy visa-free travel to Greece ” and put yourself in the right direction.

Josif wrote @ July 28th, 2008 at 13:34

I would like to ask you people some questions if possible?

I got a visa overstay fee of above 500 euros a couple of years ago.

1- Does this fee increases with time?
2- Is this fee automatically cleared after 5 years?
3- Can I pay at the airport if my fine was issued at a border crossing?

Faleminderit,
Josif

Kat Përgjigje:

Josif – 1) No; 2) No, nothing is cleared. The article says the fine remains as long as you don't pay it. The “up to 5 years” refers to blacklisting, which is a penalty in addition to the fine; 3) You can pay this at the airport or any border crossing. They reference the number in your passport, record you in a book, enter you in a computer and give you a receipt. Keep the receipt.

Brian wrote @ August 6th, 2008 at 11:31

Hmmm.

Heres my story. I am married to a Greek and at one time held a work visa. We came to visit Nov. 2006. While here, we began to renew the permit since we were staying past three months. All the rules had changed. It didn't look like I would have all the proper paperwork in time, so we tried the old “leave the country and re-enter routine” (I was not up to date on the Schengen facts. I had done this back in 97 and went to Albania “alone”. Yes I went to Albania in 97 another story.). So we returned from Bulgaria and I assumed I was good for another three months.

We took care of the permit papers, where I was then issued a document that would allow me to work until I was approved or denied.

Well, when I went to leave via the airport, I did not have this document with me since I figure my sphragitha (stamp) was ok. I got pulled into the office and was told I had a problem. At this point I was so sick of the bureaucracy and distrust (I have decided that more so-called socialistic a society is, the more distrusting they are of the public. This may not be true, but it is my current thought). I said no, you have a problem, my plane leaves in one hour what are you going to do your right hand does not know how to talk to its left hand. I was told to not talk this way to the officer as it was rude. I didn't care; I wanted to leave and never come back. I said this is BS (this really upset them – look, I figure if they didn't let me on the plane, all my in laws had to do was bring my paper showing I was legal and there was nothing they could do) They kept trying to pressure me; they wanted me to pay a fine right then. I opened my wallet which had 100 bucks and 25 euro and said I have no money. My kids are Illegal too, then are you going to fine them or put them in jail? They said no kids do not get fined.

They let me on the plane, and in my immature anger I said I will never come to Greece again. Well here I am today in Athens having had returned to live here. I had lost my passport and got a new one. I wondered when I entered if there system would catch the difference. It did but I also had my permit paper with me and was able to prove to them that it was issued prior to my fine being issued and did not need to pay. I am still waiting for my permit to be approved; however I have a paper showing that I declared my new passport number and that the approval is still pending.

fox wrote @ August 14th, 2008 at 15:24

thanks for this. i really appreciate the time and energy you give to your replies and your up-front advice without sugar-coating it. if you have a sec, here's the situation:

i'm an american. i've overstayed due to my boss not getting me the work visa arranged as promised. i now know i should not have come here on that promise, but i'm here now. i've worked here some time, waiting for this to go into place. now i'm a bit stuck and over the 3 months. i expect to be fined (worst case) and that's ok. but if they make me return to the states, is it a minimum of 90 days to stay there before returning to greece?

i've got a trip planned to leave out of athens in a little over 90 days. so i'd need to return after 90 days but don't have much time more than that to wait in the states.

thank you again for your candidness

Kat Përgjigje:

Fox – I recommend reading How Americans can move, live and work in Greece ,” since it and the article in which you're commenting have all the answers. This is the same thing I told you in May when you posted as 'Erin' and you clearly never took my advice or read the articles. If you had, you would not be in the mess you're in now, nor asking the same exact questions you asked back then.

In short:
– You cannot work legally on only a 90-day visa, so it's not a matter of overstaying; it's a matter of you working illegally AND overstaying (and not for the reason you stated).
– In order to work legally, the employer must apply for the work visa while you are in the USA and invite you to work in Greece. A work visa cannot be issued while you're in Greece. Therefore, he is: a) misinformed or b) knows better and is lying to you; either way, you are waiting for nothing because it will never “go into place.”
– As I say in both articles: Once you enter an illegal status, you cannot do anything legal.
– The rule is 90 days in any 180-day period. If you've already used your 90 days, then the sooner you leave Greece, the sooner you can re-enter Schengen, assuming you are not blacklisted.

It's erroneous to blame the employer or anyone else for failing to take the initiative in phoning or visiting the website of any Greek Embassy/Consulate to find out what was necessary to live/work in Greece before coming here. You could have also listened to me 3 months ago and not made me repeat myself.

Everyone, please help yourself by using the 'Search' and 'Categories' options in the second column, or I will need to close the option to comment or ask questions. I am not here to give you reassurance and repeat things I have stated many times. I am here to happily answer questions that have NOT already been answered.

APP wrote @ September 14th, 2008 at 12:35

I think I need your suggestion.

Before came to Greece, I got a D VISA (+1 transit SCHENGEN) for 3 months as an exchange student that means I can not travel in other European countries.
Now I am in Greece.
But I am very thirsty to travel in other places and my plan is that I will go to Italy or German by airline or boats before the visa expires and stay there for about 5 days and then directly fly back to Asia, my own countries.
Here I want to ask two questions:
1) Wether polices will check my passport when I come to Italy and German and what abut the penalty?
2) If it is legal for me to stay in German for 5 days before I come back to my own countries. Actually, my passport had the German custom entry stamp because I came to Greece through transferring in German airport.

Ju faleminderit shumë!

Kat Përgjigje:

A – The visa you were given was based on your needs as a student, not a traveler. If you wanted to travel, you should have stated your needs up front; you cannot change your mind after the visa is issued. A type 'D' visa is only for Greece, so you will likely be denied entry to other countries unless they are sloppy or look the other way. Answers to your question are: a) Depends on what method of transport you use and who you get; b) No. You have a transit visa, which means you are allowed passage only from your non-Schengen country to Greece within 5 days. You do not have permission to visit or stay in another Schengen country. You can only accomplish what you want by getting another visa or exchanging the one you have for a permit…or do what you want, pay a fine and risk not getting another visa in the future.

Navin wrote @ September 20th, 2008 at 23:03

One thing that I think some of the folks here are getting mixed up is the Schengen Visa and its applicability to individual countries. Everyone can go their own way. Belgium, for example, may even give you one after you've moved there (under certain conditions), while the Czechs may let you get one next door in Germany. The whole question is whether or not a country wants you to get it before you enter, or will give you one after you enter and then back-date it. Doesn't look like Greece does.

If you're going to be in the EU (Continent) for longer than three months, it may be best to enquire about a 90+ visa at several Schengen member consulates. I'd be curious if the Germans are “better” about issuing it than the Greeks for US citizens.

I've got the EU Perm Res card, but I've still been waved aside in Germany and given a lecture on the whole 90 days thing. (Which I pointed out as being nice, but unnecessary. I can stay as long as I want, given the right paperwork. Greece isn't on my list, but I'd be curious about the conditions of those coming from other EU countries to Greece with this card.)

Kat Përgjigje:

N – In the first section called 'Schengen visas,' I have asterisked that each country has their own set of rules and regulations with Schengen visas. This post is also titled, “Overstaying a visa in Greece” and I remind people that these rules do not necessarily apply outside its borders. So if people aren't paying attention, there is nothing more I can do to inform them.

Greece does not have a visa with validity for more than 90 days, however you are correct in saying that other countries may. I am not an expert on all Schengen countries and do not intend to be.

The EU permanent resident card entitles you to travel and reside in the EU without restriction until it expires, even in Greece. Greece is trying to make it as difficult as possible for non-EU citizens to get it, but they are still required by law and EU directive to recognize those issued by other member states.

J wrote @ September 24th, 2008 at 16:57

Wow, thanks so very much for such a terrific website. Clear, concise…love it!

I would so appreciate some help! My story: well, what a ride I've had in Greece! Currently I am doing some volunteer work in Greece, and have been in the EU for a total of about 40 days. While living on Kos, my passport (Australian) was either lost or stolen – I cut it off using the on-line Australian service, applied for a new one, and attempted to report it to the police on Kos (who asked for a bribe! Naturally, I didn't complete the process & it was never reported to the Greek authorities!).

I returned to Athens a week later and collected my new passport from the Australian embassy. The passport has the place of issue as London, and is dated as the date of issue, mid September 08. Of course, it is free of stamps. When I first entered Greece from Egypt, I joined the EU line (actually by accident!). The man was chatting to his friend, and stamped my passport entry without even glancing at me. This was the passport which was subsequently stolen/lost. Therefore, there appears to be no record of me entering the country, as there was no electronic system that the passport was scanned through etc, just this one stamp.

Currently, I am in Athens and would love to stay on here, having met a Greek man, (of course!) & am adoring my volunteer work.

What do you think my chances are at beating the system? (I know that you, very wisely, do not encourage it, but i would just like your opinion!). Since I have no stamps…only the issue date of my new Australian passport in London, I could effectively say I arrived in Greece from London just a few days ago (I left London for Paris earlier in the year, and I wasn't stamped on exit, only on re-entry).
I understand that this is a unique situation – do you have any thoughts? Thank-you so very much in advance!

I am attempting to sort this out while I am still legal!

Kind regards

Kat Përgjigje:

J – Your new passport is cross referenced with your old one, however you are correct in saying that they likely have no record of you re-entering Schengen. I'm not sure what you mean by beating the system, since there's nothing to beat — authorities decide, period. Therefore, as I say in my article, it's a personal choice whether to remain in GR or leave.

Knowingly overstaying a visa casts a bad light on other Australians, and the reasons you gave for staying are not compelling. I don't encourage lying and illegal activity because someone else has control over you once you choose that path. ie, If you eventually come here to live, you will be interviewed and investigated by a board and risk denial of a residence/work permit.

With regards to your last question (deleted), the short answer is 'no.' You could have found the answer by reading the first article I tell everyone to read in this article, “ How non-EU citizens can move, live and work in Greece .” Please search more carefully next time.

Paul wrote @ September 26th, 2008 at 16:33

First time poster long time follower.

I have overstayed by a few months my passport. I have been trying to get my citizenship since before the passport expired and am still in the process. KEP has submitted paperwork for me to get my Mitro Arenon and i am registered here in greece and of greek parents. I called the AM embassy today and said IF they check i might have to pay 1200 euro which i cant afford. Would you advise me taking all my papers as proof that ive started the process or even to try and get a letter from KEP or a lawyer stating such?

Kat Përgjigje:

P – Thank you for your longtime readership and coming out of the shadows to say 'hello.'

People typically secure Greek citizenship before arriving in Greece and get a 'permanent resident abroad' certificate to avoid being drafted for stays under 6 months. If you start the process of Greek citizenship after you arrive, it's very wishful thinking on your part that authorities will grant it to you in under 90 days, so I doubt getting a letter or lawyer will help you avoid the fine because you took your chances and must accept whatever consequences result from that decision.

If you don't care about being drafted and plan to stay longer, you need to keep under the radar until it comes through. Or if you now need/want to leave Greece, the best chance you have to avoid being drafted and a fine is to exit the Schengen zone via a more lenient country as I already state in my article.

Sophia wrote @ October 9th, 2008 at 22:34

I overstayed my student visa by over 30 days and when I tried to leave passport control detained me. I told them my parents are Greek citizens and they said okay and then I was fine. I don't think Greek police really cares.

Kat Përgjigje:

In your case, they didn't care because you are a woman and of Greek origin. I assure you the story is very different for a man of Greek origin and sketo non-EU citizens. One should never assume they will be let go, and many people posting a comment have confirmed what I say.

slix wrote @ October 9th, 2008 at 23:09

thanks for your guidance on your site which has been very helpful and probably saved us much hassle, tho some inevitably remains.

i'm a brit about to marry an Aussie who has right to remain in UK but no UK passport. I think what we need to do is get a first filing permit when we come back from honeymoon. Could you email me the info in the password protected link “Regular residence work permit for an american or other non-eu family member of a greek or eu citizen “please?

FYI we miscounted the 90 days and my fiancee left with 115 days on the clock. it was mentioned but no more than that, thank goodness. i have asked around for a lawyer but without success. if you can recommend any we'd be grateful.
many thanks
slix

Kat Përgjigje:

Regarding the password and recommendation for a lawyer, you can find my policy at, “ Comments, Questions and Contacting Me .”

What you needed to do was get married within the first 30 days of the non-EU citizen arriving in Greece and applied for the residence permit immediately afterward. It should have never come to 60 or 90 days.

Go to the dimos office (if you live in an urban area) or the local police station's alien's bureau (if in a rural area), and they'll instruct you. In 11 years, I have done all bureaucracy myself; I only use a lawyer when going to court or recommend one for highly complicated matters such as inheritance. Therefore, I do not have any recommendations, and a lawyer isn't necessary in your case. Thank you, many congratulations and all the best.

Madeline wrote @ October 16th, 2008 at 06:59

This is filled with so many answers to questions I've had, and I can't thank you enough for putting together such valuable information. I overstayed by about 30 days (without a visa) and since I didn't pay on the spot (of course now I wish I had) I have a 1200 euro fine. I apologize if you've heard all this a million times, and this might seem like an obvious question, but I'll admit the whole situation is intimidating to me. What exactly would happen upon arrival at passport control in Athens? Would I pay right there with a credit card and then be let go? Have you heard of many people getting turned away without being given the option to pay the fine? The unpredictability is just so scary. Also, if my destination were a different Schengen country, I'm assuming I'd have to fly through Greece and pay the fine before flying to the other country? Thank you again Kat.

Kat Përgjigje:

M – The answers to your questions are already contained in both the article and comments above.
– Per the article, if you try and enter Greece, your passport shows you have an outstanding fine and you are given the option to pay. They would not turn you away…why would they refuse an opportunity to collect 1200 euros?
– Per the article, if you land anywhere in the Schengen zone before paying your fine, that country has the option to turn you away or allow you passage — there's no way to know which will happen. Commentator 'Sarah' above was allowed passage in Germany because perhaps they didn't see it as their problem, however it is every Schengen country's right to enforce the law as written.

Note to everyone: I realize there is a lot of information and comments to read. However, the least you can do is spend 15 minutes to find an answer that I and several people have taken the time and generosity to write out 11 years of experience and research for you. On your browser, there is a 'Find' option if you are impatient, but I recommend reading the whole article since it gives you a solid understanding of overstays and fines. Faleminderit

Alicia wrote @ October 28th, 2008 at 08:21

Hi,

So my situation is this: I'm in Italy for just under 90 days (68) going to a satellite campus of my university. I want to travel for about a month after this throughout the Schengen region and the UK. I've talked to people who have previously gone through this program and travelled after and none of them were ever given any fines for over staying the 90 days. Most of them were even under the impression that it was 90 days per country maximum stay. And they all said, no one ever checks.

Now I'm not going to be visiting Greece after overstaying my 90 days, and my return flight is out of Rome again, so I want to know, what's the likelihood I'd be fined and what visa/permit would I apply for for an extension?

I guess I could always just hang out in the UK to waste some time/ try not to overstay the 90 days.

How would they know if after 68 days, I went through some Schengen countries, went to the UK for a while, came back and say went over 90 days total by a few? If they don't stamp, how do they know?

Thanks,
Alicia

Kat Përgjigje:

A – I'm going to tell you the same thing I've told so many other people. The answers to your questions are already above, so I'm (again) repeating what I already said.
a) It's obvious the people you talked to are uninformed. The law is 90 days maximum in the whole Schengen zone in any 180-day period, so yes you can hang out in the UK, but it's still 90 days in Schengen in any 180-day period;
b) if you're in Italy and won't be visiting Greece, I have no idea why you're looking at an article titled, “Overstaying a visa in Greece”;
c) Italy and other countries are lax in enforcing laws and assessing fines, but the statement, “no one ever checks” or it's not enforced is obviously wrong since many people are fined every day;
d) visa extensions are not offered by all countries and those that do only grant them for extreme reasons, not, “just because you want to travel”;
e) you do not qualify for a permit because you are not working or living permanently in the EU; you are not eligible for another visa because you already have one;
f) your passport is scanned, regardless of whether you have a stamp.

A wrote @ October 4th, 2009 at 13:31

Hi Kat,

First, I want to thank you for such an extensive, informative website, which obviously you have put together on your own and without pay! I am sure you know that it is a insanely valuable resource to many many people, but I want to share my individual appreciation with you.

I'm trying very hard not to ask you a silly question that you've already answered, so hopefully I do not annoy you or waste your time!

I have read the entire overstaying-visa section, and have the following small remaining questions.

– Is it illegal in greece for a greek citizen to 'harbor' or 'help' someone (I'm American) if they've overstayed their 90-day Schnegan visa? (as it is in the USA)
– When you get stopped by the border patrol and assessed a fee, will they let you out of of the customs office where they've detained you to let you go to a cash machine?
– Or will they let you run over to your *boyfriend -or-[insert greek liaison here!]* and grab some cash? (Seems silly to ask, but these details can be killer I am sure!).

I am unfortunately one of those who didn't inform themselves properly before coming (didn't realize the 6-month aspect of the 90-day travel allowance!), and am now stuck with an overstay…

I have realized all this just yesterday in fact, and am thinking that when I leave, I should either go from Athens and pay the fine upon exiting (however much they charge!), or maybe go through Italy, as I now realize they have let me overstay there with no problem before (was there 2004-2005 for almost a whole year and never got stopped, questioned, or fined)! From others' posts, it seems that if I take a boat to Italy, there is less of a chance of me getting pulled out than if I was at the Athens Airport…

I'd rather not get blacklisted, as I am in a serious relationship with a Greek and am hoping not to have impeding issues if ever we marry and i want to come live in Greece. I also love Europe and would be miserable if i was denied entry for the next 5 years!!

But I am a PhD student (In the UK – student visa there), and am very broke, so any money I use to pay a fine will probably be best borrowed from my boyfriend or my parents if they decide they want to help me (hence my question about the official's treatment of someone they [found] to be helping an overstaying visitor and my wondering about having money on me or being able to get some from a cash machine or my boyfriend. I can have someone loan me money deposited into my account for that purpose, so that I don't have to carry cash on me, or have my boyfriend carry come cash for me if i need it… Of course it is better to have cash on me that is not used rather than getting blacklisted, but it would suck not having a way to give the money back to my boyfriend if i didn't use it… and of course, I'd rather not expose my boyfriend negatively, esp if he could get in trouble.

I'm not trying to work here or party all summer on the islands (in fact have never been!!) or anything, just trying to finish writing my thesis while staying with my boyfriend!

Anyway, I hope that my questions do not annoy you – I did try to look on your website but haven't seen these specific details addressed. I've been in your position as an advice-giver before and I know how annoying people asking stupid questions can be.

I should also say – I think that my next obstacle will be to try to get a job as a non-EU non-married person in Greece. Fortunately I am skilled, educated, specialized and (hopefully!) very employable, but I do realize the odds are very much against me. I will let you know if I succeed (or fail!) so you can add me into your statistics…

Anyway, Thanks very much in advance.

Të fala,
Një

Kat Përgjigje:

Hi A,

I moved your comment to the appropriate post and am very short on time, so I'll just go straight to your questions.
– Overstaying a visa in Greece is something specific to the person doing it, so 'harboring' is a bit of a stretch. This is Greece, and he's Greek; I doubt he'll be implicated. They're not going to come over and write down his name, and he could refuse to give it if asked.
– I have answered this question before, but I updated the article to make it more clear. Cash is king; I don't know if they have a swipe machine for credit/debit cards, but you'll be allowed to visit an ATM/cash machine or call someone for cash.
– Customs office is near passport control in the airport (if that's where you're departing), so it's easy to cross over and meet someone to hand you money.
– There's no way to know what will happen to you. Maybe nothing. But Italy is notoriously more lenient than Greece. It's your choice.

If you are a student in the UK, you should have something denoting this. For example, if you have a valid permit, none of this 90-day stuff concerns you, and you shouldn't be fined. You're absolved.

You didn't annoy me. I could tell that you took the time to look through the article and were thoughtful. There are no stupid questions; I just get a little frustrated with people who can't read answers that are (literally) in front of them.

I received your follow-up message and won't publish it per your request. However, please let me know what happens to you because people's experiences are valuable in gauging evolving trends.

shaz wrote @ January 8th, 2010 at 20:10

i am married to a greek citizen for 15 yrs. my south african parents were here for a holiday and overstayed their visa and got fines 1200 euros each can we get this reduced?

Kat Përgjigje:

Answer to this question is already in the article above. Jo.

Squirrelgirl28 wrote @ May 4th, 2010 at 17:33

I am currently between a rock and a hard place. I had overstayed my visit in Switerland by 2 months past the 90 days allowed. When leaving, I got caught by Swiss customs and was pulled aside. I didn't speak French and the guards I was passed off to didn't speak English. They had me complete 2 separate forms basically with name and address info, also with a claim for defense against possible refusal to entry or expulsion from the country. After completing the forms the guard gave back my passport and boarding pass and let me go to board the plane to go back to America, no fine, just an okay and I left. They did not provide me a copy of the paperwork, they did stamp my passport with a regular exit stamp, but then they hand wrote '4c' in the stamp.

My concern is that I have already booked a reunion trip with friends to go to Greece at the end of May. I would still technically be illegal. I plan on getting a new passport, but have heard that Greece scans all passports, and that my info would appear in the SIS IF I have been entered into it. If I haven't been entered in the SIS then I could manage a 2 week vacation in Greece and then go back to the US for a long time. Although what happens if I am in the SIS? What would happen to me upon arrival in Greece from America? What are the possible consequences? A fine up to 1500 euro, deportation, a possible ban from Schengen countries for 3-5 years? Is there any way to find out if I am in the SIS?

I have also been told that maybe if I am in transit at the Athens airport and go directly to Santorini from the airport, that maybe then I wouldn't get scanned? Any thoughts on that option?

What are your suggestions?

Many thanks in advance!

Kat Përgjigje:

Answers are in the article above and repeated to several commentators with the same questions:

a) Your old passport would be referenced to the new one.
b) There's no way to know in advance whether you're in SIS, as standards are always changing.
c) There's no way to know if you will be allowed to pass, turned away and forced to go back to the USA, fined or banned; that's decided by the person passing judgment.
d) You and your passport are processed and scanned by whichever country/city you first land. Therefore, I don't see the logic in what you were told about going direct to Santorini since it's still Greece, and Athens is still the point of entry. Having a first point of entry in a different country and city may help, but you never know if it will be more strict or lenient. Like I said a hundred times before, it depends on the individual passing judgment.

Once you do something wrong, you lose control and power over your life and hand it to someone else. Even if you get away with it in the end, think of all the time, uncertainty and unnecessary stress you could have saved.

canary19 wrote @ September 2nd, 2011 at 19:14

UPDATED INFORMATION – Tourist visa extension, emergency medical reason, harder than you'd think, even possible “no”

Sources: Aliens Bureau (Petrou Rali), US Embassy, Greek Lawyer, personal experience

SPECIAL NOTE: Your Web site is the most helpful available. You should accept payment as a thank you. You earned it. I suppose I will just have to sponsor a baby turtle through the link on your site :)

Information: For medical emergencies visas have a good chance of NOT being approved unless a letter is provided from a public hospital, not just a doctor, despite the near impossibility of mobility and exiting the country for the applicant. Delays can result in illegal status.

Lesson: Ask the US Embassy for help and for clarification, or a have the reviewing officer WRITE out what he/she wants. Still no guarantee.

Details: I am visiting Greece on a tourist visa, my fiance is Greek. We have traveled throughout both countries and the UK while I have been pregnant. Medical problems started to arise so we slowed down, more problems and more drugs. My visa expiration grew closer and after two doctor's suggestions, we finally accepted that the 16-hour minimum flight back to the USA to have the baby will be too high of a risk (although I am only 7 months along).
Applied for a visa extension 7 days before it expired and with a lawyer. Returned with ALL documents asked for specifically pertaining to our case. After two different doctor's notes, one of which had the hospital letter head and stamped by a police station, the visa officer said we needed yet another letter from the doctor's hospital, not the doctor, which states I shouldn't fly. ?!?!?!? This was AFTER getting clarification FROM THE REVIEWING OFFICER about the note we presented the first visit.
After talking to a US embassy, it appears that the immigration officials usually want a letter FROM A HOSPITAL, NOT A DOCTOR, A STATE HOSPITAL, NOT A PRIVATE HOSPITAL, before a visa will be approved. The official wondered why the officer didn't ask us for this the first OR the second time. Why the letter was not accepted? Because according to my lawyer, fiance, embassy official, etc. private doctors can be paid to write letters (although everyone acknowledged that this can be done with public doctors too).
So we are going to get the needed letter and return for the third time to get the visa extension, I hope.
Otherwise… what? I can't get on a plane. I'm stressing. While only understanding 50% of a Greek conversation between, police, lawyer, upset fiance/father, I feel like a deaf, mute hippo.

Advice would be helpful, although I don't think there is anything much I can do but wait and see.

Wha the Bureau (Petrou Rali) wanted and what we gave the first time. All was accepted BUT the doctor's letter. Resulted in 10 day extension to get the needed letter. (Fee 32 Euro). Two copies of each.
1. Copies of passport and copies of tourist visa stamp
– All copies are signed by the US Embassy ($50 each)
2. Letter from fiance claiming he supports me
– One copy signed by Greek police
– Two copies of fiance Identification Card signed by Greek police
– Fiance's rent agreement
– Fiance's phone bill
3. 30 Euros a day per requested day in Greek account and account book (bibliario)
– (To open account must, have sworn statement from embassy
that I am a permanent resident of the USA ($50) and Greek tax
number.)
4. Proof of health insurance
5. Two photographs
6. Letter from doctor written on hospital letterhead, certified by police

Kat wrote @ September 18th, 2011 at 23:38

This post is closed to questions since May 2010

After repeated warnings, I decided to close comments because it's discouraging to spend time writing out 11 years of information and research, only to have people not pay attention.

Please take the time to read the article and people's comments and experiences above — you'll see that people believe their situation is unique, but it's not. It's the same story with only minor variation, and I give the same answers and advice all the time. Rules are rules, but what happens to an individual at a certain time with a certain person in a certain country is a crapshoot. Gamble at will.

Also remember that your actions as a citizen reflect on the country you're from, good or bad. It's not only about you.

I will only accept corrections and contributions from people who take notes on their first-hand experience and want to give back to the website. I'm always interested in hearing from someone who got a permit extension.

Të gjitha të mirë.

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