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Countdown to “the thing”

December 21, 2007 at 14:25 ·

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xronia polla kai kales giortes =)

I sympathize. I endure the same “thing” at my brother’s house. I almost feel like acting like Robert DeNiro in “Scent of a Woman,” and let some folks for whom I don’t care hear my opinions. But I restrain myself and overly enjoy the wine.

As for breaking dishes, I too thought it was an anachronism from the 60s. I’m surprised this form of destructive pseudo enthusiasm is still practiced.

Kat Reply:
December 21st, 2007 at 23:52

I hear you! But I’ve found that telling relatives what you really think is just a waste of time and energy as nothing really changes. It’s only a few hours of your life, which you can get through by upping your intoxication level. LOL. Nice to see you here again!

I found your recipe for “the thing” a bit on the bland side. I would recommend three quarters cup of chewing-with-one’s-mouth-open, topped with a liberal handful of talking-with-one’s-mouth-full. After all, there’s nothing more fun than watching someone argue and choke at the same time.

Kat Reply:
December 22nd, 2007 at 00:53

Everyone should by all means feel free to customize their recipe to whatever suits their tastes. Some people have a helping of chewing loud, talking with their mouth open and spitting crumbs, some have smoking, fist fights and empty threats. I try not to think about people’s table manners because it disgusts me.

Don’t forget to add my ole favorite.

A big heaping full of long-winded concurrent monologues, as well as a dash of normal questions that are delivered as rhetorical ones, since they never truly let you answer.

Kat Reply:
December 22nd, 2007 at 18:54

LOL! And I’m sure those concurrent monologues are a little like the parathira on TV news where everyone is yelling louder to be heard, eh?

Imagine “the thing” when my sister (100% greek) puts her recipe together which includes her xeno husband’s south Florida Republican politican step-father and conservative Republican family. They are very good fun drunks but when we get together I second the notion of it being a waste of time to say exactly what you think.

Kat Reply:
December 22nd, 2007 at 20:15

Wow, what patience! I always follow the rule of not speaking about religion or politics. I loved my grandfather (God rest his soul), but he and I almost came to blows about Reaganomics once — it was the only time in 25 years that we fought.

I don’t see anyone’s ingredients including a sleepover. My thing has a sleepover involved at our house, and we’ve had to limit it to 1 night or the thing would go on through the New Year…God help me! Oh… and the squatters only live an hour away.

Kat Reply:
December 23rd, 2007 at 11:56

After reading about your thing including a sleepover even though they could easily go home (hell, I drove farther than that in CA to a 2-hour event), I suddenly felt very lucky. Well, you take the cake…or uh, I guess you don’t take the cake. You do have my sincere sympathy though.

Καλό Κουράγιο!
if you cannot win them join them!
Φιλιά

Kat Reply:
December 24th, 2007 at 16:57

A lot of people wished me that same thing! LOL! But it sounded like many people had the same situation, so I returned the sentiment. Filia

Hi it’s xmas morning on the east coast. Xronia polla everyone! I’m here visiting for xmas (I live in Athens) and got a kick out of this post.

I spend every xmas here, visiting my parents & family and I’m so thankful that I don’t have to endure xmas in Greece. I spend Easter in Greece and do the Easter “thing” with my husband’s relatives and that is bad enough. Exactly like you describe: a bunch of people with nothing in common thrown together and getting on each other’s nerves. I would lose my mind if I was in Greece for xmas too…

My east coast xmas “thing” is great, though. I feel lucky to celebrate with people that I really enjoy being with. We have such a good time.

Anyway, for those of you enduring the annoying “thing” today… hang in there. We’ve all been there – Kat’s advice is the best – take it with a grain of salt…

Kales giortes, kalh xronia se olous!

PS Kat – I loved your story of Mr. Takis!!

Kat Reply:
December 25th, 2007 at 22:59

Hey! Good to see you again, I was wondering where you were. You’re one of the lucky ones, someone who not only escapes for awhile, but also has a family that is close-knit and enjoyable. I envy people like this. I even know some in-laws that vacation together because they actually enjoy each other’s company!!! BOING! Still, “the thing” makes for good storytelling after a period of recovery. Have a great time! I only lived on the east coast for 2 years, but I told my fiance that NY or Boston around this time is something we should do together at least once because it’s so magical…or at least I thought so.

Update from Xmas Dinner: I ran the barrage of anti-American foreign policy issues as if I was Condi Rice herself. And of course, if I try to change the subject and tell an innocuous joke, then deadpan silence. Sure, they say that Greek humor is different, but my inlaw’s humor is non-existent.

Then comes the whole “Isn’t Greek cooking the best in the world and how lucky I am to eat Greek cooking”. Sure, I love Greek cooking, but no need to rub it in my face year after year. I get it already!!

My biggest suggestion to my inlaws is this: PLEASE GET SOME NEW MATERIAL!!!!! ARGHH!!

And remember, there is no Greek word for HUMOR and that’s why they use the same word in GREEK “HUMOR”, so I shouldn’t expect too much I guess.

Kat Reply:
December 25th, 2007 at 22:00

LOL! I hear you. When I make a joke, no one gets it; when I’m serious, everyone thinks I’m joking. Comedia is a Greek word, though, isn’t it? Still, I get a kick out of it. Maybe my nerves are deadened.

My fiance’s “thing” was slightly different this year, and I’ll likely post tomorrow about that. Right now we’re using different methods of recovery. I’m perfectly happy sitting here alone in silence, reading a book and tinkering on the Internet, and my fiance is out getting drunk with his friends. We’re not mad at each other, I just didn’t think going to another closed space with blaring music, smoke, alcohol and talking loud was the answer.

The trick with “the Thing” is to have relatives or inlaws who do not speak the same language. This is difficult to achieve with one’s own immediate and bloodline family [although I claim partial success in that sphere] but very easy if your “significant other” is Greek and his/her relatives do not speak English. Of course, this is a very good reason NOT TO LEARN GOOD GREEK, because you will suffer greatly if you do. The few useful phrases for “The Thing” are: Poly kalo einai; Oraia; Bravo; Xronia Polla; Geia Sas.

With this constrained vocabulary, you will not suffer too much and can simply eat and marvel at various inanities. You can also smile benignly which they will interpret as the lower intellect of xenoi. Your significant other, of course, will be made to pay the price for the lack of a suitable victim and will probably vow to make you learn fluent Greek for the following year’s event. Resist it at all costs!

By the way, Scorpion, there is a riposte to the Greek cooking self-recommendation. I have learned Turkish and Arabic cookery, so I describe in great detail how much better the Turkish dishes are than the Greek ones. Every little spice, every little detail. For some strange reason, nobody ever talks to me about Greek cuisine these days :-))

FMS, your advice not to speak Greek sounds a lot like an old American friend of mine. He’s 84 years old, and has been here since the late 1940s. His reasoning on why he has never learned Greek was simple: He said he’d either have killed someone by now or been in jail, so decided it was safer for the Greeks that he didn’t know what they were saying.

Now, on the topic of the Turkish cooking, how does that work for you? Does that ever get you hostile remarks? Seems like it could be dangerous… Do tell……

Scorpion: on Turkish or Arab cuisine, I have probably confined my comments to specific Greek circles. I remember about 10 years ago, offering to bring some food to a Goodbye House party [it was being demolished to make way for 4 polykatoikia]. I made Turkish chicken kebabs. I announced them at the party: “queue here for your Turkish kebabs!”. There was a lot of disgruntlement, then someone who likes good food tried one, and said “This is wonderful”. Suddenly, the queue started and almost immediately they were all consumed! So, I asked, “And how was the Turkish food?” The reply was: “like Greek but more delicious/spicy”. Only one person, with a low level of education, refused to eat them on nationalistic grounds.

So, after that and many other occasions, probably people know better than to talk about Greek cuisine with me. The few who don’t are usually kept in check by those who know, when such discussion starts. So, it is perhaps reputation [rather than my unexpected comments] which saves me from these banal conversations:-)

Re learning good Greek: I cannot say in public, but there have been a few specific incidents in my professional life where I thanked God that I had not learned much Greek. At the time, I had wondered why my Greek assistants were trying to conceal anger and outrage. So, I agree completely with your American friend, because I would have lost my temper if I had had a high level of [written] Greek.

I find FMS’s advice to be sound. Most anyone I tell about Greek food being similar to any food (especially Turkish) gets irritated and/or insists that Greek food influenced the rest of the world, not the reverse.

And with speaking Greek, my fiance’s relatives include a pair of English teachers, however they never speak it with me, so I’m able to claim less fluency in Greek, thus giving me the option to stay quiet and not engage in the many conversations that could otherwise annoy me in my state of “ignorant bliss.” I’m pretty sure I’m not missing anything, and they probably are happy about it as well.

Having such a good giggle reading about ‘the thing’ and the comments. Thank you and Happy New Year.
Simon http://democracystreet.blogspot.com/search?q=grumpiness

LOL !!! I’ve been through “the thing” in the past… but now, thankfully, I do not have to do this any longer, although I do attend “the thing” held at friends’ homes from time to time. The aimlessness of this exercise is indeed overwhelming but, somehow, “the thing” has come to be synonymous with “bonding,” hence, I think, its persistence. The sad fact is we need a lot more than “the thing” to promote strong family relationships — and what’s required, not too many are prepared to do. Happy New Year!

The suggestions in this post are hilarious. I go to the “thing” twice a year. In between we have many little “thingies”. Whenever I am asked to bring a dish, I make something out of a Turkish cookbook. They all love! my Greek cooking @@ (I am Colombian).

Kat, I stumbled across your website by accident.

You are a very effective writer, and I applaud you for sharing your experiences. Several questions come to mind: Why not write a book, in the vein of Under the Tuscan Sun variety or Bridget Jones Diary? Also, I once dated a Greek guy recently located to the USA who told me stories about a relative in Athens who divorced his wife, took the kids, and left her with nothing,not even a home or alimony. He said this is how Greek law differs from US law. Have you looked into this issue? Greece may be the birthplace of civilization, but it is still a very masochistic society. Bravo to you for escaping the dictatorship we are all suffering from here in the collapse of the US.

Kat Reply:
April 17th, 2008 at 20:21

Hi Susan! Thanks for taking the time to say hello and your kind compliment, even if you landed here by accident.

This is a very patriarchal country. In regards to divorce and child custody in Greece, I have looked into it and the law has evolved somewhat. There are couples who divorce amicably (even bitterly) and either mediate or go to court to have custody and alimony awarded. Many foreign women, especially those who are full-time housewives and dependent on a husband’s income, understandably flee the country if they don’t have funds to hire a lawyer to go up against someone more powerful or cannot prove negligence. I’ve even heard a few of my Greek male friends say, “The first thing a foreign woman does is take the children.” Well, it’s no wonder why in some (not all) cases. There is an article on this site about domestic violence and divorce called, “Story of domestic violence in Greece” Our friend had to leave everything behind as she was battered and got pushed out of her home one night with her son, but she has a career, money of her own and her family here in Athens so she’s OK. I realize that’s not always the case.

Dear Kat,

Want to wish you the best Christmas and New Year. Just meant to thank you for your great writing and investigating Woodward/Bernstein would be proud!

But really. Since I landed in Greece, the best and most frequented source of info has been you!

Hope you have great holidays! And all the readers too, of course!

Jan.

Kat Reply:
December 30th, 2009 at 00:49

What a nice thing to say. I appreciate it, and thanks for reading.

Xronia polla Mary Christmas and Happy new 2012!

My mother ALWAYS gets drunk during “the thing” and starts laughing with no reason , saying silly things and then she goes to sleep! Of course when she wakes up she has a headache from too much wine!

Oh boy! LOL. ya’ll must live in a ‘civilized’ part of greece or a city. heeheehee

here in the mountains they throw bottles and sometimes set the tablecloths on fire ! rebetiko or tzambiko ?

expat over 30 years here .. more than half my life …

although i haven’t actually broken too many plates or bottles myself i thoroughly enjoy watching others do so …

if you are hosting an event and are worried about mexican ceramics (i hear ya’ ! ) or majolica in my case, just buy a whole bunch of white cheapo ceramic plates, some glasses, consider it part of the parties cost, have a ball ….

and by all means come & visit us in the mountains of central greece !

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

or (in politically correct terms:)

Happy Holidays.

Still owe you that piece on how to get a US divorce recognized in Greece, but the process hasn’t finished yet. Will let you know next summer after the court.