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Cockroaches and courthouses, landlords and leases in Athens

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On the old-school Saturday Night Live, Eddie Murphy did a skit called “Prose and Cons” as Tyrone Green, a tenant in jail reciting his poem “Images” on an alleged incident. The video version is a lot funnier, but NBC removes anything that infringes on DVD sales, so I can only present plain script.

Dark and lonely
on a summer night,
kill my landlord,
kill my landlord.
Watchdog barking,
do he bite?
Kill my landlord,
kill my landlord.
Slip in his window,
break his neck.
Then his house,
I start to wreck.
Got no reason,
what the heck?
Kill my landlord,
kill my landlord.
C-I-L-L, my land-lord.

When I look back at the landlords I’ve had in Greece, it makes me sigh with relief to know that the next home I rent or buy will be in another country. I’m looking forward to it, in fact.

Las Cucarachas

The first apartment I rented upon arriving in Greece was advertised in the Athens News and located on a pedestrian street in Plaka. Although it had no cars, I could hear the groan of traffic on the main road, beeping of horns and putt-putt of motorcycles passing under the window. Whatever toxic smell of pollution I detected at the beginning had dissipated with time and tolerance…kind of scary. During Carnival, squeaky bats and general merriment lingered until late evening, and the church next door always woke me on Sunday morning when I’d returned from clubbing only an hour before.

My landlord was a self-proclaimed artist who made primitive clay figures, such as “woman laying naked in the sea,” and he took the meaning of his name very seriously. Theodoros (gift of God) spent all of this time in his studio creating originals and hitting on mature foreign women that he convinced to purchase them. His conquests and other bodily functions could often be heard through the thin wall we shared.

After 3 months of parking his motorcycle in front of my door, which he refused to move and reprimanded me for even touching, not giving me a proper contract or receipts — it was an illegal sublet — and cockroaches the size of yams crawling through my apartment (shoes were always required, as were lids on pots), I decided to look for another place. I gained independence on March 25th. Two years later, his studio went bankrupt and his apartment rented to someone else.

How I learned the word dikastiria

AA was a quiet and eclectic landlord I found in a now bankrupt English language publication with several apartments awash in marble around the center. I took the less tacky one that my friend K called the “submarine” because it was partially submerged under a medical building but had an open private stairway, large sunny windows and courtyard. The only minus to its location was it faced the American Embassy and was prone to daily rioting in those days.

When I asked for a rental contract and receipts, he said that a lease would be drawn up, and there would be no issues with receipts. A month goes by, no lease and no receipts. I also found out the phone could receive incoming calls but not dial out. He explained that a French girl had run up the bill to 300 euros and never paid, so it would stay that way until he found the money to pay it off.

When rent came due, I said I wouldn’t pay anything and move out until a lease was drawn up and the rent lowered because he wrongly assumed I was a rich American. He proceeded to offer me a handwritten contract, and I demanded that he sign receipts acknowledging my rent — my request, it turns out, was a good move. In a matter of weeks, things in my life were already chaotic with work, Greek lessons and bureaucracy, so moving again was the last thing on my mind.

The next month, I found out he had a key to my apartment and felt it was perfectly appropriate to drop by unannounced because he called and I hadn’t answered my phone. How did I find out? My boyfriend and I caught him. His explanation was, “Well, you’re not supposed to be home; you didn’t answer the phone.” Another time, I came home from work and found a used coffee cup and saucer in the living room. I don’t drink coffee.

I changed the locks, paid the rent and gave a spare key to a trusted friend in touch with my lawyer before I left to accept a job outside Greece, when my ex-boss failed to pay me and produce a document necessary for my work permit.

Three international money orders sent by Fed-ex to my landlord to cover rent and three months later, I came back to find the locks changed and someone else living inside. I followed legal advice and asked police to accompany me with a locksmith, while a photographer documented the event of opening and removing my things with the permission of the new tenant. In addition to missing money, sentimental items I’d gathered from travels around the world and my deceased mother were stolen. Charges were filed.

There was a legal mediation, but it bore no fruit. AA denied taking rent, denied having my deposit, denied stealing anything, denied everything. In fact, he claimed that I owed him money for the enormous phone bill left by the French woman, electricity and damages, all totaling 2000 euros. We showed photos to him and his lawyer that documented the removal of my things, airbills, bank confirmations and signed receipts for the deposit, phone (I never used), handyman bills I paid, electricity and consistent rent payments. His lawyer resigned that day, and we filed suit.

Over five years, my case had been called, delayed, called, delayed, called again, delayed again and called again at the dikastiria (judicial courts). Each time, I paid a lawyer to do nothing, hired a translator to do nothing and inconvenienced four witnesses to do nothing. A whole lot of money was flying out of my pocket for a whole lot of nothing. The law forbids you to abandon the legal process once it starts, so I saw it through to the end of six years to finally reach a guilty verdict and was awarded money and damages. AA never appeared in court, in fact I saw him only once — he was offering money to a young man in exchange for $ex outside an army camp. How do I know that? The young man was my friend B, and he said ‘no.’

Police have done nothing to enforce the arrest warrant, and I have not seen a red cent…and I know I never will.

Too many landlords

Mr. A was a respectful man who willingly offered me a lease stamped at the eforia, relinquished every set of keys to the apartment and took pride in promptly fixing things whenever an issue needed attention. He understood from the beginning that I would be commuting between countries and said I could prepay or pay when I came back; he also called in advance and requested the loan of a key if something needed repair or inspection.

I’d been told by neighbors that he wasn’t a nice man before Alzheimer’s set in, but I never knew that part of him and he was always kind to me. When he needed the apartment for his son, I was truly sad he wouldn’t be my landlord anymore. He still smiles and says ‘hello’ when I see him on the street, and I’ll always remember him and his family fondly.

The only complaint I had was that he could see directly into my apartment from his apartment across the street, to which his son said he’d remedy with iron curtains and a jungle of plants after I moved out.

My primary challenge with this apartment was that it wasn’t completely mine. Miss GK from Germany left her furniture and plants behind, and I was required to sign a contents lease and pay rent for them even though I didn’t want any of it, as she had no immediate plans to retrieve them. When she finally came for them after two years, she gave me two weeks notice to rearrange my life in NY and fly to Athens to meet her and liquidate everything. Since this was unreasonable to both me and my boss unless I wanted to get fired, I wired money to an account and had a friend pay for the few items I wanted and communicate anything that came up.

Upon arriving in Athens months later, the things I purchased and paid for had been sold off and the things I didn’t want were still inside. I was told, “these gifts were left as a favor” — a washing machine that was broken before I moved in, an oven that burned things, cheap ugly furniture, a no name broken stereo (I already had a Sony). So not only was I forbidden to remove anything and forced to pay for furniture I never wanted for two years, but I also never made this space my home with my own furniture and got stuck with getting rid of everything in the end. Excellent! :D

Office Café

I told Mr. P, one of the most polite and class acts I’ve met, that I only needed the office space he had for three months. He said it was no problem, and I could have my deposit back. His sister, that’s another story.

I gave a deposit and rent for three months up front and received a lease and receipts in return. Whenever I was gone for more than a week, I came back to find someone had used my office as a leisure space to kick back, smoke, have coffee and watch TV. When I terminated the lease, she understandably kept the deposit for my last month’s rent. But she refused to give her correct AFM to file my taxes unless I paid nine more months of rent. I felt this was blackmail since my intentions were stated and approved from the beginning. Basically, she took my money without paying taxes and made it impossible for me to claim it on my tax return, despite having receipts.

Good, bad and ugly

Upon moving back to Athens full-time, I visited Mr. A and his family to see if there was any mail and bring them a gift for their honesty and kindness over the years. They mentioned having best friends down the street with an apartment for rent that just came available — a phone call was made, Mrs. C appeared, Mr. A gave me an excellent reference as a tenant, and I took the apartment. A proper lease and receipts followed.

I loved this apartment. It was only two years old, had modern sliding doors with double glass, insulation, a proper video screen to see people downstairs before buzzing them in, a huge balcony, self-controlled heating, hardwood floors, lots of closets and a kitchen that matched the color of my komboloi.

But something happened after the first year, which was about the time I transferred to Miami for work and lost my father. When I came back, I found that the toilet float was cheap and broken, and water had been running for an undetermined period. This amounted to a new toilet float costing 9 euros and a water bill of 140 euros, with my landlord refusing to pay even a small portion. In looking at my lease, I realized my renewal contract had been changed to a lease assigning all maintenance to me, instead of the original lease I’d signed that assigned responsibility to the landlord. I hadn’t noticed until then, being preoccupied with changing countries and arranging funerals. Fine, so I paid.

This was followed by a scene on the street in which she screamed at me in Greek (not in English, which is the language she usually used) about how I was a poor tenant, never paid anything on time and tried to cheat them. I believe this was intentional so everyone could hear and understand. I couldn’t go door-to-door to show receipts or other evidence to the entire neighborhood to prove she was wrong, so I let my reputation be smeared. She blamed the change in our relationship on my attitude. If attitude meant I wouldn’t be a doormat, then I suppose that’s what I had.

Over three years, she dropped by unannounced whenever she saw my light on, sometimes as late as 22:30 to look at an alleged leak or for nothing in particular. My friends and boyfriends witnessed her behavior and wondered if perhaps she wasn’t well.

My repeated requests to call in advance were ignored, and she got other people to buzz her into the building if I would not. If I ignored her when she came to the front door, she would pound on the door, yell my name in the hallway and use a key she claimed to not have to let herself in. I got used to bolting the door from the inside, and my lawyer advised me to call the police if it happened again. It came to the point I only dealt with their son, who was a truly nice person and is still a friend.

When I finally moved out, there was no dickering over money, just a lot of dour faces and unwarranted comments about the cleanliness of the apartment, despite the fact it was spotless and I’d hired someone to professionally clean it against the advice of Greeks who told me to “f___ them.”

Hot and cold

The last thing I needed after calling police to report a threat from an ex, getting engaged and preparing to leave for India for a month was to move house a few days before departure. But that’s what I did.

My fiancé insisted we look at a place that my future sister-in-law found for us in the north. Stating my objections from the beginning (and further objections upon seeing the place) fell on deaf ears, and it was clear that this might be the first of many compromises necessary in my future as a couple. My fiancé, who’d never lived away from home or signed a lease before, assured me he could handle it and did not need me to come along to flush out terms or size up our new landlord. He came to regret this decision.

Because the icebox never reached beyond 16C in winter and exceeded 45C in summer, we moved our life into the living room to essentially camp around the two heaters or two air conditioners to feel comfortable. Instead of being two grown adults with careers, we were reduced to “starving student” status of 20 years ago. I felt demeaned and humiliated.

Each month revealed a new hidden delight to my original objections of no insulation, no proper roof, too many dogs, noisy kids downstairs, prehistoric doors, shabby tentes, cheap roller doors, no storage and bad floor plan. First month, we discover the advertised and confirmed self-controlled heating is actually central. Second month, we discover that there is kinokrista, which contradicts the advertised “no kinokrista.” Third month, the electric bill comes for the past four months and we’re expected to pay 80 percent of a 280 euro bill, even though we didn’t live here the first two months and were in India the third month with only the refrigerator running. Fourth month, the landlord asks us to pay money for gardening (three rose bushes and a tree), and we refuse; then the water bill arrives and it’s revealed that our meter is actually shared with another apartment on the ground floor.

In addition, we were forbidden to have the electric/water bills in our name and refused any reimbursement of repairs to a home that was poorly constructed and falling apart. When we left that apartment, she refused to give us back our deposit or retrieve our TV antenna from the roof. She’s been unable to rent the apartment since we left in November 2007. Shocking.

So I basically went from having everything in my name to again having nothing in my name, and the housing situation is no better than it was when I first arrived a decade ago unless I’m willing to spend my entire salary on rent. It’s like time warped back to 1997, and I’m back to the same feeling of being uprooted and left to dangle, despite my efforts to put down roots in a country that I’ve invested 11 years of my money, heart and soul. My house is still not a home…and I feel it never will be.

Necessary sidenote

In telling stories about landlords past and present, or any story for that matter, I am neutral on the subject of nationality because I feel people are people all over the world. Others, however, bring it up with the hope of blaming “foreigners.” Antagonists will be disappointed to learn that none of my landlords are or have been foreign.

California cakewalk

Comparing any single residence I’ve rented in Greece to a lifetime of rentals elsewhere, I can see I had it pretty good. This includes when I paid rent to live in my parents’ house and adhere to their rules (the worst of both worlds), this includes the time I found a patent leather heeled shoe from my bedroom closet in the front garden after contractors painted my kitchen, this includes the time I found out my roommate was a exotic male dancer at Latex-a-Go-Go and flew into a rage when I ran out of toilet paper to steal.

People tell me that owning a house is a lot of responsibility and renting is easier. I beg to differ. I’ve paid my house karma and am ready to go somewhere I can call home. Readers will be surprised to learn that responsibility doesn’t scare me. ;)

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64 Comments »

  rositta wrote @ June 6th, 2007 at 17:38

Wow, what a story…definately time to buy a house…ciao

Kat Reply:

Hi Rositta – Yeah, I was thinking it was too long and might lose readers because of it, but I couldn’t figure out where it should be split in half.

I wish it were only a story and not my life ;) I’m really looking forward to having a home again!

  Cheryl wrote @ June 8th, 2007 at 01:07

Had enough, huh? I really hope that my husband isn’t too disappointed when we move back. He is really optimistic. I am more realistic.

MIL and SIL were robbed last week while they slept…in there own home. Yes, this can happen anywhere, I know, but it happened just doors away from where we will be staying for our first few months in Greece. And, yes, the door was locked.

Good luck with your next move wherever and whenever it will be. Feel free to contact me directly whenever you want. You’ve got my email address!! :)

Kat Reply:

Cheryl – We’ll still be here when you and K get here, so I hope we’ll get to meet you, though I realize you will have a ton of things to do in order to settle in. (Feel free to use my email also).

The thing is, I was ready to move last year and my then boyfriend popped the question. The deal breaker was he had to agree to leave Greece, and it turns out that was no problem. If circumstances arise where one or both of us are tied to this country, we’ll negotiate those changes when/if they arise.

Either way, there’s no way we’re renting again! After 10 years, I need to feel like I have a home.

And yes, robbery is a reality no matter what neighborhood or country you live in. I was robbed in an affluent area with steel security doors. These guys even got my email out of my stolen laptop and taunted me. Police weren’t able to do anything. I’m sorry to hear it happened to someone so close to you. I hope everything is OK.

  Cheryl wrote @ June 8th, 2007 at 01:27

I just want to add that I do know that this post was about landlords and renting. I too rented in Greece before and the kinokrista spread rumors after we left…we didnt pay rent and yada, yada, yada. My FIL lived in the place after we left and when he heard he straightened everyone out…and dumped a bucket of water on somebody on the street…from the balcony. What’s important is to notice a pattern of behavior that is generally accepted as normal , so just prepare to be screwed.

I know that there are bad landlords everywhere but I have never heard of so many in one place. I am just a little edgy at the moment! :)

Kat Reply:

About what you said about landlords, I’m sure that not everyone is as unlucky as me, so don’t be scared. Mr. A was a great landlord! Most people I know have homes given to them by their parents, buy a house or rent from someone they’ve known a long time, therefore it’s difficult to compare cases or gauge a majority. I’ve been told I’m too trusting, but I’d rather be more trusting and attract that kind of good energy than go into everything with skepticism because that only makes one’s fears a reality (if you get what I mean).

  F. Anna wrote @ October 26th, 2007 at 17:37

Wow, that sounds awful (about the robbery). Could you tell us what neighborhood that took place in and a little more about it if you don’t mind. I found Athens rather safe when I was there so I’m surprised to hear about that.

Kat Reply:

Hi FA – I haven’t seen your name before and nice to meet you :) I’ll answer your other inquiry via email.

Landlord AA was from Kolonaki, and the apartment was near the American Embassy, as I mentioned in the post. He took a bunch of things and never gave them back, even after the court ordered it. All I really wanted was the CD player my deceased father gave me and a sentimental item I bought from the Czech Republic.

I was robbed again in the northern suburbs, while living with a non-romantic male roommate, and we suspect we were watched to learn our patterns and perhaps targeted because we are both well-dressed professionals carrying briefcases and had no parents at home…but who knows? Witnesses say there were two men, but no one was ever arrested.

Cheryl lives somewhere in northern Greece, and Mel (Mel’s Diner) says that she and her husband have trouble with people breaking into the car.

My fiance has caught people midway into breaking into his car in the southern suburbs of Athens; I’ve also had Greek women punch me on the metro without provocation, though I suspect that has more to do with unknown issues personal to them than robbing me.

  Daniel wrote @ October 28th, 2007 at 22:37

I just started to love this website! I must have been lucky, having toured several apartments in my short time in Greece, I think I have been lucky. I felt uncomfortable with our first landlady being “bossy” with things we do such as closing the door to loud or disturbing her sleep by having the noizy AC on during the night… I got used to it and there has been little of problems with the landlords.

I once caught a particular landlord with a “mathematical error” on the bill that would have had us pay almost 100€ more than we should. I approached him on the issue and he quickly recalculated a new real price, no fuss.

And finally, I must have missed out, what does ‘kinokrista’ mean?

Kat Reply:

Hi there, and I’m glad you’ve had good experiences.

Sorry, I forgot to answer the question. A future post will cover aspects of how to rent a home, what to look for in a lease and other issues, but for now I’ll tell you that kinokrista roughly translates to common expenses.

Common expenses of a building could include petrol for heating, elevator maintenance, cleaning person, gardening expenses, repairs, improvements, water, electricity, and they’re all shared by the tenants. The share you pay depends on the person doing the calculations and/or the square meters of your apartment. If there’s independent heating (you control it) and not central heating, it will also depend on your usage.

Be aware that it’s not always fair. I lived in a separate apartment outside a building to which it was connected, and still had to pay for the elevator despite my protests that I never entered or had a key to get in the building, let alone used the elevator. I have also left in winter and was instructed to shut off my independent heating (which I did), but still had to pay 350 euros in petrol when I came back because it had snowed in Athens (aka, people were cranking up the heat) and “that was my share” when they purchased it. When I protested to my very reasonable and otherwise kind building manager, I was told “that was my share” and my actual usage was irrelevant. Friends all tell me this is common practice although there are exceptional cases.

Not all buildings have kinokrista, and some landlords build the price into the rent to make it easier to manage.

  Nelsie wrote @ November 16th, 2007 at 02:24

I rent a flat in a very nice part of Athens (Kolonaki) and the landlady immediately helped me to get an AFM so that the lease could be registered with the Eforia and anything I have complained about has been fixed immediately, adn the landlady is not cheating me on the rent despite the fact that I speak nil Greek… In England on the other hand, god, they are petty, a lost key and they deduct 500 pounds from your deposit for having to change the door, forget to clean behind the fridge and they will deduct 600 pounds for a new top range fridge… etc…

In general here in Greece from my short time here, prepare to be cheated and you will be surprised how warm and nice half of the people are, just be extremely careful with taxi drivers! (PS! You are not the only one being kicked/punched/pushed on the metro, I always get it from middle aged women, even though I am a 6’6” tall 23 yo half latino kid and therefore am supposed to look scary and evil, lol).

  jessica wrote @ March 7th, 2008 at 21:21

I was googling “kill cockroaches in Greece” and I found this entry. A pleasant surprise, indeed. :)

It’s been ages since I’ve updated my blog, maybe I should think about it again.

You really know what you’re talking about what with the state of renting in Greece. I feel like your issues were my issues, and the issues of so many other people I’ve spoken to. Thanks for your words, and your light heartedness. It helps me keep on keepin’ on, knowing that someone out there has gone through all this, and can still stand to live here and get up and enter this world everyday.

You, are a hero.

Kat Reply:

J – Thank you and I’m glad you checked in because you disappeared for awhile. Please take care of yourself and let me know if you need something.

  kieron wrote @ March 16th, 2008 at 16:12

All these amazing stories of being robbed, lied to, cheated . . . and punched! What Greece are you guys talking about? I’m glad I’ve never been there, despite the fact I’ve been living in Greece (obviously a different one) for the last twelve years. I’m in Thessaloniki now, I have a two-year lease on an apartment with a landlord who looks after the property and to whom I make a monthly rent deposit into his bank account.

Before that I lived in Chania, Crete . . . OK, some of the rent arrangements there were less formal, but I always got on with my landlords and although they were fiddling on their tax by not declaring rent, it never affected me negatively in any way. Maybe it’s just an Athens thing – never tried renting there.

But generally over the last decade-and-some-years I’ve been listening to horror stories non-Greeks have told me about Greek landlords, Greek bureaucrats, Greek boysfriends, you name it . . . My relationship with the Greeks generally is perfectly civilised, and although it’s true they rarely do things by the book, I have never known myself to be cheated or felt insulted (in any significant way). Maybe I’m just lucky . . . or naive . . .

Kat Reply:

K – I want to second what Scorpion says. An EU citizen such as Nelsie or anyone “looking Greek” has fewer problems. It’s not about being non-Greek.

And for the record, the last house I mention renting in the post was completed by my fiance without me present (on purpose), and he was still lied to, in addition to his cousin (a real estate agent) who secured this contact for us. He’s 100 percent native Greek and so is she. When we called around to rent an apartment in the area we now live, 90 percent of people were rude to him, even asking his profession and net salary (extremely rude), but at least invited him to see the place. I can sound and act Greek to the point some have asked if I’m a mix of nationalities, but there’s no way in hell I look it and therefore will always be treated as someone “lower” no matter what I do or know.

I don’t care about the rudeness and personally don’t mind people doing things under the table, however because the Hellenic Republic forces me to go by the book for my permit as a non-EU “immigrant,” all of my papers must be done by the book — leases, utility bills, IKA, etc. They aren’t my rules, I’m just playing by them.

  The Scorpion wrote @ March 16th, 2008 at 17:14

Kieron? Could you pass for a Greek? I’ve found that foreigners who look like they could be Greek fair better than non-Greek looking foreigners.

  kieron wrote @ March 16th, 2008 at 23:24

Yes, Kat and Scorpion, I think you’ve got a point about looking like a Greek – even more, if one sounds like a Greek (and I don’t only mean fluency in language, but in the kind of attitude one communicates in speech, the greekness of your perceived mindset) then your problems are halved. People know I’m not Greek about three seconds after i open my mouth, but I’ve adopted a lot of ‘protective coloring’ over the years to try and fit in with a way of life I basically like, despite all the frustrations.

In fact, i notice how I switch personalities slightly when I switch languages – I think it’s almost inevitable. I remember once I was abused mildly by a bus driver for getting on his bus while soaking wet from the rain outside. If that had happened in England (my native country), I would have apologised guiltily. As it is, I lashed back with -kai ti perimeneis? Afou brehei exo, ftaio ego?- . And no offence was intended on either side, and none taken. I can’t do that in English.

Two comments about the Greeks:

1) they are – what’s the best word? – ‘brusque’
2) they love to say two words above all others:
a) ohi!
b) apagoretetai!

Once you get used to that, life becomes a little easier.

My girlfriend (a Greek) thinks they love the word apagoretetai because under the Junta, most things were forbidden, and they kind of got used to it. Just a thought.

And I might add that, as an Englishman, I have to say that I find the English abroad to be the worst adapters to other countries’ cultures and the biggest complainers. Long live the Whingeing Pom!

  unicorn wrote @ May 17th, 2008 at 22:55

Hi there!

I’m not capable of expressing how i’m grateful for the great work you did, I just want to say THANKS. This site is exactly what I’m looking for for at least two years.

I was on vacation on Crete with my wife. It was early autumn and we was stunned by the music, nature, attitude and so on.. We decided to come again some day and try to stay as long as we could.

We are both working in IT company. Most of the time we are working at home. So it does not matter much where exactly our home is.

I was looking for a place where to drop an invitation on this site, but did not find more appropriate topic then this one. :) So, whenever you wish to visit Ukraine we can share our flat with you and your relatives. We are not a professional hosts, but we will do our best for free

Ukraine has much in common with Russia (which is on your TODO list as I remember). So, perhaps you will be interested. We live in Odessa (named likely after the ancient greek colony called Odessos). It’s located on the northern coast of the Black Sea.

Thanks.

Kat Reply:

U – First of all, thank you for your kind words and very genuine and generous invitation to Odessa. You never know, we might take you up on it. :) If you move to Crete, you are in a good position to do so having your own work and can get a permit that way by meeting the income requirements. It’s a beautiful island, my favorite in fact.

  Toula wrote @ August 6th, 2008 at 12:59

Geia Sas!!!

I too stumbled onto this blog by mistake.. but boy did I get a kick out of reading your rentals sagas… Reminds me of me when I lived in Greece.

I now live in India, and believe me, things are much worse here.. and on top of all the problems that can come up, rent in Mumbai costs an arm and a leg… Our scungy 2 bedroom apartment here costs double what our beautiful 3 bedroom home in Sydney is rented out for. Go figure… Anyway I guess it will just leave me with lots of fond memories when I am gone from here.

God I miss Greece!!!!!

Enjoy your summer everyone!
Filakia xx

Kat Reply:

T – Hey! Doesn’t anyone come to my site on purpose??? ;) I spent 5 weeks in various parts of India, and I saw homes that ranged from huts and boxes to luxurious mansions. Our crappy, moldy, uninsulated noisy apartment near the beach road in affluent Athens costs more than a modern 2-bedroom flat in Brooklyn, NY with a laundry room. I think the same way you do, except instead of memories, I have stories to tell. Wanna change places?

Kalo kalokairi!

  Kosmas wrote @ August 17th, 2008 at 21:21

Hi Kat! Thanks for the comment. I found your whole site very useful but this piece really spoke to my heart…

I will send people interested in renting in Athens to have a look here first! ;-)

Kat Reply:

K – Thanks so much! Renters who have no problem paying 2000 euros/month for a flat in Greece likely enjoy a much different experience. We have no plans to buy a home in Greece because we don’t intend to stay or come back. Our plans are to buy in another country, so we’re renting until we leave.

  The Scorpion wrote @ August 18th, 2008 at 10:06

Kat, I always come to your site on Purpose! :)

  Stratos wrote @ August 20th, 2008 at 15:52

I just came across to your website while googling on the web for some info about living in Greece. Having browsed through your pages I am questioning myself if I really want to come back to Greece… And mind you: If I do come back, it will be based on my contract i have here in the Netherlands and the salary (more or less) that I have here – that means, I will have the foundation to have a quite good life there!!!!

I am an expat myself in the Netherlands and I can tell you definitely that this is not the way that things go around over here… Here things are more transparent and there is a strong protection of the tenant by the state. In any case, I vote as well for a decision to buy a house/apt. over renting one. It;s then your responsibility and that makes things easier there :-)

In general I would say that in Greece an individual should try and have “business” of any sort only with the privately held companies. In fact the bigger they are, the better for the individual. When things fall within the private sector, although usually more expensive, they are more secure and rules are met and often with great satisfaction – I believe…

One last comment: while I am amazed by the size and the visiting rate of your site, I cannot not think why on earth you have been staying in Greece and why did you ever go back there after the first time you left the country…? I am pretty much sure that you have had this question before, but I make it anyway :-) The only thing I can think of is that you must have a kind of love and hate relationship with this city/country/culture

In all cases, I will read through the rest of your pages and then I will double think about it before I move back to Greece lol

Thanks
Stratos

Kat Reply:

S – People ask this question a lot. I’m not required to explain my life choices to strangers, but I’ve answered it several times, as recently as last month.

You would have a much easier time being as you are three things I am not and never will be: a) Male, b) Greek, and c) An EU citizen without the need for a work permit. If you are under 35, that’s a bonus; the cutoff for women is under 30, which I am not. Another bonus is you work for an American company and already have your work and salary sorted, so good for you and LOL and you should move back. That isn’t an option for me, since my work permit in Greece depends on whether I am employed in Greece (private sector, big or small has made no difference in my case whether treatment is better and rules are followed). You can’t and shouldn’t compare our situations at all — it’s night and day.

  Stratos wrote @ August 20th, 2008 at 18:44

Hey Kat

Thanks for sharing that post with me, and indeed, you were not required to explain to me the choices in your life. Allow me to say so, but you do write about your daily life and you do share your point of view on the ways things work there. I find it only natural if people ask you that, since you initialize the discussion by sharing your experiences – even if the intent is to be humorous. I never meant to offend you, if I did, by asking you that.

Bear in mind that Greeks who moved abroad are damned as well: While they are away, they should always honour their fatherland, almost by a way of tax payment! But, when they come back, they are also seen as foreigners and not as “true” Greeks anymore

Thanks again for your posts! Great writer, you are! :-) Ever thought of collecting them and making a book? Like Sedaris? :-)

In a way reading these experiences help me remember the reasons I left Athens.

Cheers

Kat Reply:

You didn’t offend me at all, den peirazei. When I started this digital journey, there were plenty of stories about people living in Greece, but they were about tourists, people with money, expats in retirement, expat women who married Greeks, or Greeks coming back. My intent in sharing is to give a realistic glimpse into what life is like in Greece for an unmarried, career-minded, working, non-Greek immigrant woman; many people across all nationalities identify with me, some do not. People are used to Americans sharing their whole life, and the Greek language does not have a word for privacy, but I do value mine and many subjects are kept out of public view. If/when I write a book about my life in Greece, everything will come out then.

True, Greeks from abroad are damned as well. I’m aware of this, which is the reason my articles acknowledge discrimination in Greece across the board no matter what your ethnicity, age or origin. Even my fiance who was born and raised in GR is criticized for being a “traitor” because he speaks American English without an accent, does not believe GR is the best country, loves English sitcoms, hates football, and wants to immigrate abroad. I believe it’s wrong to judge people this way.

You are not the first person to mention Sedaris, so I suppose I should read something he wrote now. ;) Thank you for coming to the site and hope to see you again!

  George wrote @ August 23rd, 2008 at 09:17

Wow! :-)

I came to your site to research getting dual citizenship, and I ended up spending the next several HOURS reading through various pages (and I’m not done yet!).

This is a great site, and I will refer all I know who are Greek, of a Greek heritage (like myself), and/or are planning to travel to (or work in) Greece.

I am sorry to hear of your rental nightmares, and I will definitely think twice if I ever decide to reside there for any significent period of time.

I do have this fantasy of buying a place in Greece and spending time there every year (once I retire and have the time) – all the while getting in touch with my heritage. I will DEFINITELY do my homework before ever doing this.

Again, thank you for this great site!

Kat Reply:

Wow, what a compliment. Thank you for stopping by and staying for longer than intended. You’re always welcome to whatever I have available, to make a comment or ask a question. And yes, definitely do your homework before taking the leap. Too many times, people get caught up in dreams and forget about reality.

  unicorn wrote @ August 24th, 2008 at 18:41

Hi Kat,

We are used to host our traveling friends. So, if you suddenly decide to come, it wont take us by surprise. (note that my email address has changed, so if you have sent something, resend plz)

Our “good position” is quite limited by our government.
Consider this:
1) ukrainian residents are not allowed to have accounts in foreign banks w/o explicit permit (which is almost impossible to acquire). Doing so makes a crime and will cost 3-5 years in jail. (luckily it is
ok to have foreign account while you are outside of Ukraine, but you should close it before coming back)
2) it is almost impossible to get a loan (prove of income) in any european bank, due to Ukrainian tax and bank papers are not trusted anywhere outside our country. (and I see no reason why the embassy would be less suspicious). I think, the single way to prove our financial status is to show the cash (~30 000 euro)
when applying for a special visa and residence permit, and even in this case i’m really not sure it will work anyway.

– Where did you come from?
– Ukraine.
– Ah, nice place to come from!
(sad, but true)

Regards

  dwain wrote @ November 1st, 2008 at 08:44

This is somewhat ‘comforting’ to read, at least to let us know that some of the experiences that are happening with our friends here aren’t unique. Two weeks after moving into their apartment, 2 female colleagues are being kicked out for being ‘loud, rude, disrespectful Americans’ who go clubbing and arrive home at 6 in the morning and wake up the whole neighborhood. On top of that, it is apparently a ‘party’ if you have 3 people over for dinner at 9:30.

The best though is that it was supposedly ‘made clear’ in the ‘verbal part of the contract’ that neither of the girls was allowed to have a boyfriend over. Of course nothing of the sort was ever mentioned.

Kat Reply:

D – This is utterly ridiculous. I’ve read some of the stories you’ve written about your landlord (also stupid), and now your friends’ landlords. First of all, most people are always bragging how, “Greece is very free,” so WTF? Second, the majority of people I know don’t have dinner until 21:30 or later, so again WTF? Third, are these people saying that Greeks don’t go clubbing and arrive home at 6:00 or are they saying that Americans aren’t allowed to do this? Fourth, these people should not be spying on these girls to know whether they have a boyfriend come over or not. Plus, if it’s not written down, there is no agreement. Who are these nosy a$$ people with no lives of their own?

Last and not least, I seriously doubt Americans are louder than Greeks, especially since your colleagues hold jobs in which they set an example for others. To me, these landlords are clearly uptight, prejudiced/discriminatory in some way or just looking for an excuse to b!tch about anything, which I suppose are all related.

People who don’t have issues with landlords are usually: Greek, look Greek/European in appearance, male, own their own home or got their apartment through a referral/friend.

  dwain wrote @ November 1st, 2008 at 13:57

You’re right on all points about the landlord situation with my colleagues. The irony of their accusations was the most frustrating part because they were so oblivious to it. We suspect that there may have been a family disagreement over renting to Americans (another friend was shown a home by a realtor and then refused because he’s American), so they’re picking a fight to try and force them out. No “Equal Housing” here!

We’re trying to determine what the consequences are for breaking a 2-year contract. The realtor and our HR director were both adamant that the 2-year contract was typical, a great disappointment because we were making this decision after only being in Athens for a week and knowing nothing about the city. In the States, the worst consequence would be losing our deposit; I’ve quickly learned not to assume that it would be even remotely similar here!

Enjoy the November ‘warmth-wave!’

  FMS wrote @ November 2nd, 2008 at 22:01

Dwain: in theory, breaking a rental contract has substantial penalities; in practice, this is Greece… Anyway, who is breaking the contract? If the landlord is insisting on conditions that are not written down and are not “typical”, then he or she is breaking the contract. It sounds as if you are being taken for a ride, so tell the Greeks to **** off. You might also like to lodge a formal complaint for racial discrimination under EC Directive 2000/43, as it seems clear that this is directed against non-Greeks.

  ilia wrote @ December 21st, 2008 at 16:07

When you go looking for a house/flat to buy, do take a long, good look at the neighborhood & neighbors.

A bad landlord/flat you can move away from, a bad neighbor you can’t. There are lots of varieties: the noisy, the snoopy, the unreasonable, the insane…

The worst is a combination of the above, who also happens to be the apartment block manager.

Steer clear of them – hire a PI if you must, or become one before you sign your contract and mortgage.
Good luck

Kat Reply:

Hi Ilia! True, some of my stories about neighbors are in the “Related Posts” at the end of the article. I’ve moved 7 times, and it doesn’t seem to matter — there’s always some of each sprinkled here and there. Oh well. Thanks for leaving a comment today.> :)

  MCK wrote @ April 10th, 2009 at 12:41

Oh my God! I didn’t even think that people like… all of your landlords were real! What most of them did was illegal and taking legal action was the best option! Knowing how “quick” Greek courts are to operate, others would think it was a waste of time and money. In my opinion, however, it’s best to f**k them than to be f**d. I am well aware of the fact that living in Greece as a “foreigner” is difficult and I also know that certain Greeks blame them for everything, but being Greek myself I assure you that they are uncultured and uneducated. Unfortunately, uncultured Greeks are the norm. I hope that you will find a place to call home one day!

P.S. Have you ever considered living in the north part of Greece? I have many English friends who lived in Athens and think their life is kind of easier “up here”!

Kat Reply:

Hi again, MCK. LOL! I like how you put “quick” in quotes. We’ve met cosmopolitan, cultured Greeks and call many of them our friends, so we have some good people around…we just haven’t found a good home! Our jobs require us to be in Athens, unfortunately, so a move north would render us unemployed or employed but (likely) with less favorable situations and salaries than we have now. As you know, it’s not easy to find a good work environment either, whether you’re Greek or foreign. It is nice up in the north, though. Thanks for your concern and commenting again! :)

  Ari wrote @ April 28th, 2009 at 05:08

I am Greek, born and bred in Melbourne Australia. I love Greece but I relate to a lot of what you said.

I look Greek and speak it well, last summer I was in Greece with my Husband (Australian/English) background and Step-son. I felt I had to protect them. The funniest was a gypsy girl who was trying to pickpocket my husband. She nearly died when I told her to get lost in Greek, in a loud scream that even shocked me.

There’s Greeks and there’s Greeks. We vary :)

Kat Reply:

The proper term is Roma, not gypsy. Also, I agree that everyone varies everywhere.

  The Scorpion wrote @ April 29th, 2009 at 08:50

Ari, you should be careful, it’s a SIN to associate Greeks with Turks, Gypsies (Roma is proper term), Albanians etc… In the USA, we have racist ignorant people as well, but what makes an impression on me is that these racist people in the states are obviously miles away, uneducated usually, and the neanderthal type. By contrast, and very scary, is that many racist Greeks seem like normal, highly educated, decent people at first. It’ s only when they start talking about their warped view on how all/most crimes are committed by Albanians, etc that their true colors show.

Kat Reply:

Scorpion, I allowed your comment even though I think you took it a tad too far because Ari’s comment was rather innocent and wasn’t about gypsies. Her point was Greeks are different everywhere. I want to remind everyone what this post is about: It’s about the discrimination and treatment I personally encountered during my tenure as a tenant, and it was told in a straightforward and humorous way. Nothing more.

  Tauros wrote @ April 30th, 2009 at 01:09

For the Scorpion – I beg to differ in several respects. “gypsy” is not the same as “Gypsy”. I accept that Roma is currently the preferred term vice “Gypsy”; but using “gypsy” doesn’t make a person racist. The lower case “gypsy” as a term is often accepted as referring to a lifestyle, not to a race or ethnicity. Further, politically correct (PC) labels change with the years: colored, negro, black, African-American, as an example. The individuals didn’t change; the PC description did.

I agree that Greeks can often be hypocritical in their racism, but education has nothing to do it with it. Americans (and I’m be proud to be one) can be just as hypocritical, regardless of their schooling.

Lastly, the Greeks, Turks, Roma and Albanians (and others) are intertwined throughout history. There are certain parts of Athens today where you can stroll for quite some time before hearing a native Greek speaker. If by “SIN” in your first sentence you meant that it’s not PC, I understand. But Greece has been and is a Byzantine country in many ways. It won’t change in that regard for a very long time. But it continues to change in a lot of other respects, and despite the denial of many both here and abroad, the changes won’t stop.

  Shannon wrote @ June 3rd, 2009 at 08:52

Wow this website is a wealth of information, thank you so much for all of it!

My husband and I are planning (dreaming) to move (with the intention/pipe dream of teaching english but willing to do just about any cheap job to get the chance to live in Greece) with pets to Greece. I’ve read all the information on the process of getting them legally able to get in the country and I wonder how “easy” is it to find pet friendly rentals? We have a miniature doxie (8 pounds) and a small cat who are members of the family and I’d love ANY information on this while we research this idea!

Kat Reply:

Before going to your question, keep in mind that you and/or your husband will need to have EU citizenship or a way to secure a residence/work permit to live/work in Greece, and it is not cheap to live here.

Finding pet-friendly rentals is a bit harder because most owners and fellow tenants don’t want the extra damage or noise that pets are perceived to cause. This is based on the fact the majority of people never train their pets to behave, so they’ll bark at everything and generally wreak havoc.

Places that allow them are usually: A monokatoikia (single family home), mezoneta (maisonette or townhome, which are typically more expensive) or rentals that no one else wants (aka, the landlord decided to be more lenient because it’s been empty for so long). The other situation I can think of is the one I’m in; it’s a polykatoikia (complex) with two flats (duplex), and the landlords downstairs have a dog; therefore, they allow tenants with pets. I don’t have any, but if I did I wouldn’t let my pets fraternize with theirs because their dog is rarely washed/full of fleas, a nuisance, scares people and tears up our mail to the point we no longer have it delivered here.

The other thing you need to worry about is how the majority of people in Greece regard cats and dogs. Pets are considered “bromiko” (dirty). You’ll rarely see pets kept inside or well kept. And those that are must be very well guarded, leashed and watched because people put out food or “treats” with poison to kill them. Many don’t consider this cruel and justify it by saying there are too many animals, and this is a form of population control; yet, spaying/neutering is looked upon as cruel because it is said that a pet should have a sex life. I realize it doesn’t make sense to most people (including me) that an animal be given the right to sex and birth but not to life, however I’m just telling you how it is.

I know many people who left beloved pets in their homelands with a friend or relative, if they didn’t intend on staying permanently in Greece. I know others who regretted bringing their pets because they died, were killed or suffered a great deal of stress in transit (see, “Four reasons why pets shouldn’t fly“). It’s something to consider seriously if you really love them.

  Lily wrote @ July 31st, 2009 at 11:50

Things are slowly changing in terms of how pets are treated and regarded I think. Apart from what Kat describes, which is true, I think we are also starting to see people who do love pets, keep them in doors, take care of them, and allow them in rented flats. Others, as in my neighbourhood, are feeding the ones on the street and trying to get them neutered.

After spending many years abroad, I returned to Greece with two cats. The EU Pet Passport scheme meant that it was easy, and there was no hassle at the airport here—they just asked for the pet’s passport.

The best place to try to rent in Athens with pets is close to a park of some sort. I live next to one and note that there are loads of dog owners here, out walking their dogs etc.

Another tip: rent from someone who has advertised their email address. I found while trying to rent that landladies/lords who use email are usually a lot younger and a lot more open minded.

  Makis wrote @ August 15th, 2009 at 14:29

One of my worst experiences in the 9 months I’ve been here is seeing the treatment of animals. While not all Greeks are acting barbaric towards them, I’ve seen so many things that would land a person in jail if they were back in Canada.

There are so many strays. Each garbage can on the islands has a family of cats. Dogs run the streets in Athens. Most of them still wearing the collars they received from their owners. People are constantly poisoning them.

I saw a bag of new puppies with their eyes still closed left in a bag next to a garbage can, a few crawling out into the street and no one even giving a second glance. Really disgusting stuff. No one seems to understand the concept of controlling their pets from breeding.

There was a guy across from us who let his cats continually have litters which he would dispose of promptly. His response to my asking him why he didn’t spay or neuter them was that ‘it’s not natural’. I asked him if it was natural for the kittens to be killed right after they were born. Of course, this was a silly way to think I was informed.

For all its beauty and allure, this really is a different place with different ways and ideas.

The best way I can describe Greece is that it has some of the best and worst things to offer. From the gorgeous land and culture, warm people and lifestyle, to people always seeming to be trying to screw over the next guy, to the appalling state of some neighborhoods in Athens, to rampant corruption, illegal immigration, crime, poor jobs, salaries and social security, pickpockets, red tape etc…

Since I’ve stayed here, 4/5 of my girlfriend’s friends have been robbed, pick pocketed or assaulted (this is in Athens).

My Greek friends say you can never really be secure in Greece. The Greeks have a saying something like ‘the Mother eats her children’.

On thing for sure, this is the best place in the world to be if you can get above (or below) all the shit.

  helen wrote @ October 2nd, 2009 at 06:26

hi, thank god i found ur site. i am looking to rent longterm in thessaloniki; i want to pay up to 550 euros per month. i would like it to be a detached maizonette home, that is no older than 8 years old. 2 bedrooms is enough. i like the modern look, i dont mind it being out of thessaloniki city approx. 20 minute drive. i prefer the north eastern or east suburbs. can u help me find a site that can help me. thankyou

Kat Reply:

The story is about my personal experience of renting properties in Greece. I am not a rental agency. Please help yourself to the website links I provided to start your search.

  Tania wrote @ February 27th, 2010 at 19:53

I actually just came across this website, and I’m so glad! Actually I’m just about to finish high school, and I’m thinking of going to Greece for college. Is it ok if you can email me back? I would extremely appreciate it. Thank you!!

Note from Kat: As stated inComments, Questions and Contacting Me,” I do not offer personal consultation due to my personal/professional commitments. This entire website, put together over many years, offers a wealth of free information not found anywhere else. All best.

  Jane wrote @ August 6th, 2010 at 18:53

Hi, this is urgent and you say to post on a comment page. We rented a house, privately, for two years. We find we cannot afford to live here any longer, and the house is like a war zone in summer with the children; we have none and specifically asked if it was quiet. So we are going. We are happy to pay the full year rental for just 8 months. However, seems like the landlord is going to insist we leave things we bought to make it comfortable, like fridge freezer, lawn mower, etc etc as compensation for not staying second year. As the agreement was not stamped at a tax office and is just typewritten by estate agent, can she insist on anything like this? Can she hold us to a second year? Our health is deteriorating by the day so we do not want any major arguments. Any advice appreciated. Thank you, Kat

Kat Reply:

Hi Jane,

Life has become expensive in Greece, and not just in monetary terms, so I empathize with your decision.

The most important thing you need to know is your two-year rental agreement is illegal if it was not stamped at the tax office (eforia). Illegal. That means your landlord is pocketing extra money by committing tax evasion and in a position to insist on nothing. Offering to pay a year’s rent for 8 months is overly generous, considering (s)he will likely not return the 1-3 months deposit you put down.

I understand your need for peace and parting on somewhat good terms, but you need to counter his/her demands with what you know as politely as possible. Should the landlord make trouble, ask a Greek-speaking friend to step in and not hesitate in calling the financial crimes and tax evasion hot line at ’1517.’ I’m sure they’d love to audit your landlord and assess a fine.

Please write back if you need further assistance, and thank you for trusting me to dispense advice.

  Matt wrote @ October 11th, 2010 at 19:06

Hi Kat,

Aussie living in Greece for 11 years. Find your site a great source of info and follow the Tweets with interest.

My next step (hurdle) I am trying to accomplish is to buy some land, which of course leads to loads of paper chasing and the normal fun when dealing with the public offices. It has only taken 2 years and I am still not finalised in being able to purchase land.

Had a look around the site but was wondering if you had any information or knowledge on this subject. Non-EU purchasing a house / land in Greece?

Thanks again
Matt

Kat Reply:

Hi Matt,

You are a brave man (and poor you). A lawyer and I are set to collaborate on an article about buying property in Greece as a non-EU citizen, but nothing is posted at the moment because, as you may know, I like to combine first-hand experience with official documentation. I have not bought nor do I intend to buy property myself, so I need to find at least 2-3 trusted sources to take notes and share their torture information with me. I know there’s a lot of hearsay and vague explanations, but I cannot help you at the moment.

Thank you so much for coming back. Of course I remember the man who said this website offered the “best, and most accurate information about the joys of living and working in Greece I have managed to read in my 11 years of living here as a non-EU citizen.” I’m glad you like the news tweets; I’ve gotten a lot of positive feedback.

  Matt wrote @ October 26th, 2010 at 11:53

Hi Kat,

Drop me an email if you like and I will be happy to give you more details of the processes I have followed thus far – both positive and negative and all the hearsay in between. You can then use this to help others or at least use to compare to the info you have received as another source.

Happy to help if possible.

Thanks
Matt

Kat Reply:

Matt,

I sent you an email from my account some weeks ago to take you up on your offer, but there was no reply. Perhaps it landed it your spam.

  Evelyn wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 21:52

Yia sou,
I am a Greek American and have a house in Athens. I can say that my tenants love living in our homes. There is a waiting list for our properties and we take great pride in knowing that our management company is taking care of things and the tenants are satisfied. My point is that not all landlords are the same such as not all tenants are the same. You have some great information and I wish you the best.

Kat Reply:

I don’t see anywhere in my post or comments (or website) where I say that all landlords, tenants or people are the same, so I don’t see the purpose of stating your point because it’s not contrary to mine.

The post details factual events of my experience over 13 years living in Greece, and there are others who report something similar. It perfectly illustrates your point, but it appears you cannot accept it.

  christine wrote @ October 17th, 2011 at 13:26

Having lived in Greece for 30 years, guess I have become a little too Greek. My husband and I have built two houses, the proverbial prikas for my daughters….and we live in one, as a family and I decided to rent out the one next door…of course not wanting to pay tax…cash in hand, which worked wonderfully for 4 or so years.

Then a British couple who were living in another village, asked if they could rent it…we agreed, and they paid me on the 1st of the month for a year, even tho they spent the winter in the uk…When they went home at the end of last summer, they said they would pay the rent into my uk bank account, which was agreed, no rent went in…then they came back during May and proceeded to give me a story that they had been broken into etc and so on….As this couple had lived next to me for nearly two years, and I thought they were a salt of the earth couple, I did not worry too much, until one day they said their friends were coming to stay for a week and they were all returning to the uk..so would give up the house…and the 3200 euros outstanding rent.!!!!oh he would put it into my bank account in the uk.

needless to say he did not….and as he and I knew I was helpless to do anything about it….as the house was actually empty for the six months there were no outstanding bills..however, I am so upset and they appeared such a nice couple, so a very expensive lesson.

then when I rang him at home in the uk, he has the cheek to accuse us of siphoning off his oil from the central heating, stealing a car battery….he said my husband had to have exchanged it…! WTF…and using a half a packet of his washing powder…oh well everyone has to learn a lesson…and i though I was a good judge of character!!! just shows how wrong one can be..

Kat Reply:

I don’t think anyone can judge people solely on sight or even doing a credit check. Life and people are unpredictable in any country, but in Greece probably more so because laws are rarely implemented and policing lax. Many feel they’ll get away with it.

There’s a fine line between freedom, democracy and lawlessness.

  Chris wrote @ October 18th, 2011 at 14:10

Well as an American living in Greece since 1999. I feel every thing you say. I even spent 7 years on the Lovely island of Mykonos ( so many things to say about that but wont). I love your site, makes me feel not so alone. And from someone that is medically allergic to mold and mildew, i struggle every year, I own stock in Bleach ^^. Thanks for being there.

  Jessica wrote @ November 24th, 2011 at 23:51

I stopped reading after “Dikasteria”, incredible but I know it’s true.
Thanks for your great website
Jessica

  Anika wrote @ April 24th, 2012 at 14:55

Thanks-a-mundo for the blog article. Really Cool.

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