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American and Greek dual citizenship

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Holding dual citizenship requires no special application or the hiring of a third party if you wish to be both an American and Greek citizen. The United States and Greece allow you the privilege of holding both citizenships without conflict, as long as you meet the requirements of each country and do not commit the voluntary expatriating acts listed below.

* Article last updated January 2, 2014. There are two updates pending.

Nature of citizenship

Greek citizenship is granted to those who:

1) Are born in Greece to at least one parent of Greek origin;
or
2) Can stake a claim through a Greek ancestor born in Greece (i.e., If you were born to Greek parents outside Greece, you are considered a ‘Greek national’ but do not assume you have Greek citizenship; you must have a citizenship certificate)
or
3) Live in Greece for several years as a full-time resident with a permit, meet a number of language/income requirements and go through the naturalization process;
or
4) Attend school in Greece for many years.*
or
5) Are born in Greece to non-Greek parents who are legal, long-term residents of Greece.*

To see all requirements and if you qualify, visit “Ways to get Greek citizenship.”

Marrying a Greek citizen does not automatically grant a spouse the privilege of Greek citizenship or a Greek passport. You must be of Greek origin yourself or go through the naturalization process. Articles pertaining to non-EU spouses of Greek citizens are, “Greek citizenship through naturalization” and “Residence/work permits for non-EU family members of Greek citizens.”

If you are not married to a Greek/EU citizen, you can still get a residence/work permit under certain conditions. See, “How Americans and non-EU citizens can get a permit to move, live and work in Greece.”

*The government in power restricted Greek citizenship and rolled back laws for non-Greeks, freezing all applications in November 2012, and has not published a new code. Expected release date is sometime in 2014.

Americans wishing to acquire Greek citizenship

If you are an American citizen wishing to stake a claim to Greek citizenship through an ancestor born in Greece since you yourself were not, or you were born in Greece but never acquired a Greek passport for whatever reason, this is your right. Living in a foreign country does not affect the status of your citizenship, however you are required to report income earned in a foreign country by filing a U.S. tax return as long as you are an American citizen.

Most U.S. and other non-EU citizens exercise the dual citizenship option as a way to live and work in the EU if they have no other alternatives. Greece also grants certain discounts and preferences to its citizens. These are its only benefits.

Acquiring Greek citizenship by claim of Greek origin” is one-of-a-kind guide to gathering your documents and how the process works, based on official documentation I translated and the first-hand experiences of Greek citizens who shared information with me. Lawyers, other websites and forums have ‘borrowed’ text without my permission and refused to remove it, so you are not necessarily getting confirmation from different sources and should be careful who you trust.

This is the first step toward applying for a Greek passport and Greek national ID (tautotita), though these things carry little or no advantages since a passport from any country is widely accepted for everyday and official transactions.

Greek Military Obligations

Any male between the ages of 19 to 45 should take note that mandatory conscription in the Greek military will be assigned upon acquiring Greek citizenship. Detailed information and website links can be found in the “Military Service” section.

What are the pros and cons of Greek dual citizenship?

Depends on who you are and what you consider pros and cons.

Cons

If you’re a male aged 19-45, I suppose the con is a minimum of 3-9 months in the Greek military. However, I know many who don’t mind serving.

If you’re not of Greek descent/origin and need to go through naturalization — such as a non-EU spouse of Greek citizen — the cons are many, including: Taking several months of government-sponsored Greek language and culture classes that may be full or inconvenient; long waiting period to apply (3-7 years); long waiting period for a positive or negative answer after submitting your application (another 1-5 years); non-refundable application fee of 700 euros, which was previously 1,500 euros and one of the highest application fees in the world. But again, many may not see these as cons or may have an inside connection and plenty of money to meet or bypass these requirements.

Americans should also consult an accountant or lawyer to consider their tax obligations, if they plan to live abroad. A record number of U.S. citizens who live and work abroad long term are relinquishing their citizenship and passports because of double taxation and other burdens imposed the government. Inheritance and tax laws are highly complex issues.

Pros

The pros are uniquely personal. Some see dual citizenship as a privilege that gives them free movement in the EU, and some universities and institutions grant privileges to Greeks first.

However, many hyphenated Greeks (Greek-Americans, Greek-Australians, Greek-Canadians, etc.) say that having Greek citizenship and a Greek passport does not change the fact they are seen as “not Greek enough,” simply because they have been abroad and are treated accordingly. Unlike other EU countries where those in possession of a national ID gives them special privileges, having a Greek national ID does not hold a higher status than a normal passport from any country.

The bureaucracy required to renew Greek passports is also burdensome and far more complicated than countries such as the United States, UK, Canada and Australia.

Ways you could lose American citizenship

– Officially stating your desire to have your American citizenship revoked. It is otherwise assumed you wish to retain it.

– Taking an official oath of allegiance to a foreign state. Taking a routine oath of allegiance, such as the one requested during the Greek citizenship process, is not considered such an act.

– Serving as an officer in a foreign army or serving in any army hostile to the USA. Serving mandatory conscription in the Greek military as part of a Greek citizen’s duty is not considered such an act.

– Serving as a high official in a foreign government. Accepting non-policy type employment is not considered such an act.

– Making a formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship.

– Working to overthrow the U.S. government.

You can read about it at, “Possible loss of U.S. citizenship and dual nationality” on the U.S Department of State website.

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Greeks wishing to acquire American citizenship

Many Greek citizens who can stake a claim to U.S. citizenship usually exercise this option as the first step to securing a U.S. passport. I know several Greek-Americans who choose not to hold a Greek passport if they already have an American passport, which they consider to carry more weight in the world in general. Some countries also allow Americans, Canadians and Australians to speed through long lines on occasion, including Greece.

Please visit the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services website, which details immigration, years of residence, green card and citizenship requirements.

If you are a Greek-American in Greece who would like to stake a claim of American citizenship for your child, the U.S. Embassy in Athens and American Consulate in Thessaloniki can assist you with the application. It is straightforward process and can be completed in less than a half hour. See, “Report Birth Abroad.”

Which passport should I use?

The American Embassy and U.S. Department of State say that American citizens must use their U.S. passports to enter and exit the United States.

There is no equivalent Greek law, but the Greek government’s Attica’s Citizen Centre states that dual nationals with a Greek passport use their Greek passport to both enter and exit Greece. And, if applicable, Greek citizens can use their Greek national ID  or ταυτότητα/tautotita if only traveling within the Schengen zone.

So if you’re a Greek-American citizen with both U.S. and Greek passports, you’d use your U.S. passport to exit the United States, then your Greek passport to enter Greece. When going back, you’d show your Greek passport to exit Greece, then your U.S. passport to re-enter the United States. The same for Greek-Americans in Greece. You’d show your Greek passport to exit Greece, your U.S. passport to enter the United States, then your U.S. passport to leave the United States and your Greek passport to enter Greece. Use of a foreign passport does not endanger citizenship.

It means shorter lines, less fuss, no U.S. visa and speedier repatriation.

However, some Greek-American men report that Greek authorities (inconsistently) request that they still use their U.S. passports to exit or enter Greece.

*Nod to CO, SA. AR, LT for sharing first-hand information and official documentation.

For other countries

The information provided above applies specifically to American-Greek citizens.

Greece is part of the EU, but each member state has different requirements and a different view on dual citizenship — it is wrong to assume all countries have the same requirements and same policy. Further, you also need to verify that the policy of your current home country allows it; for example, the United States may have a different view on dual citizenship with Syria.

It is imperative to seek official printed literature or advice of authorized representatives of your country who are experts (not a forum, not a friend, not a lawyer who posts articles on the Internet and is attempting to charge money for things that normally cost nothing) before jeopardizing your current citizenship. Each case is unique, and what applies to one person may not apply to another.

Note: It is redundant for citizens from other EU countries to seek dual citizenship with Greece since they are already authorized to live and work in any of the 27 member states according to each states’ freedom of movement laws detailed by the EC. However, some people go through the trouble because Greek citizens are given preference for student housing and can also work as civil servants.

Warning

Expat forums/websites and lawyers have plagiarized this article without permission or attribution, which violates copyright and the law. Therefore, you are not necessarily getting confirmation from different sources.

Be careful who you trust.

Sources

ΕΚΔΟΣΗ – ΑΝΑΝΕΩΣΗ ΔΙΑΒΑΤΗΡΙΟΥ” — nomkek.gr
US State Department Services Dual Nationality” — travel.state.gov
Advice about possible loss of dual nationality” — travel.state.gov
Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?” — BBC News
Why Americans working abroad are ditching U.S. citizenship and passports” — TIME
U.S. expat taxes drive Americans to give up citizenship” — TIME
Traveling to Greece?” — U.S. Embassy in Athens
– Greek-Americans and parents of Greek-American children who agreed to share first-hand experience with me for this article (CO, SA, NK, AR, DN)

Related posts

Greek citizenship by claim of Greek descent or origin
Greek citizenship by naturalization
Mandatory Greek military service

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68 Comments

  Katerina wrote @ June 15th, 2007 at 22:26

Hello συνονόματη! I just wanted to let you (and your readers) know that you can get “caught” if you try to enter Greece on your greek passport when you’ve left the US on your american passport. I left the US on my american one, and when I got to Greece (this was a few years ago) the ‘foreign’ line was long and I was lazy, so I used my greek/EU passport to enter. When I left the following month, and went through passport control, the dude flipped through my american passport and then asked me how I got in the country (!!!). I handed him my greek (obviously unstamped) EU passport and he hand-wrote in an entry stamp for the day I arrived (luckily I had my boarding pass stub). He proceeded to berate me but luckily I wasn’t fined (or worse!).

Your blog is brilliant and chock full of info that is nearly impossible to piece together elsewhere.

take care,
Katerina

p.s. do you knit?

  Kat wrote @ June 15th, 2007 at 22:41

Hi Katerina, nice to meet you!

I appreciate you adding your comment. The Hellenic Republic does not have a specific law on which passport to use, but it is recommended that you enter and exit a country with the same passport. Meaning, you would have been fine if you’d shown your Greek passport to exit Greece instead of your American one.

At flight desk check-in, it’s fine to show your American passport so they don’t ask you for a visa required of Greek passport holders. However, at immigration, you need to use your Greek passport.

Btw, I don’t think you’re lazy at all. I’ve seen passport control when I come back here, and they’ve got 3 guys working the EU/Greek citizens and 1 guy working the ‘other’ line. Of course you know what I’m going to say — the 3 guys refused to take any non-EU citizens, talked on their kinita and drank coffee while literally thousands of us crowded the hallway. An airport security guy took a photo because he said it was the most crowded he’s ever seen it.

My fiance waited for me on the other side for a good 1.5 hours before I got out.

Thanks for the compliment! Nice things keep me motivated and help me gauge whether I’m doing a good job. Please stop by again.

P.S. I used to know how to knit when I was a teenager, but I gave it up when I started to work full-time.

  Angelo Lazarakes wrote @ August 7th, 2007 at 20:58

I am born in America, but would like to go to school in Europe. My father is a Greek citizen and lives in Athens. Would it benefit me to get a dual citizenship?

  Kat wrote @ August 7th, 2007 at 21:38

Hi Angelo, I think that would be a personal choice. You won’t have any problem getting a study visa/permit if you’re accepted to the European school. If you’d like to stay on after your studies have finished and work in Europe, then you’d need to have a residence/work permit and this is where Greek citizenship would benefit you because a study visa/permit almost always cannot be converted to a work visa/permit. If you plan to return to the USA, then dual citizenship is not really necessary.

Choosing to have dual citizenship is unique to an individual. As a Greek male, your main concern would be mandatory military duty being assigned to you upon taking Greek citizenship. As long as you understand your obligations and stay within the limitations (which are detailed in the article I wrote that covers this subject), you’ll be fine.

  Fotis wrote @ February 27th, 2009 at 03:05

So if I’m American and want to become a Greek citizen, I just need to apply through the Greek consulate if my parents were both born in Greece? There’s this lawyer online who says he can do it for me for 500 euros, is it worth it?

  Kat wrote @ February 27th, 2009 at 07:17

Hi Fotis,

As I say in the first sentence of this article, the hiring of a third party is not necessary. Any lawyer who has time to write articles and post them online is probably not very good; the majority of excellent lawyers I know get clients through referrals and are very busy, without having to advertise. In my 11 years, I’ve only hired a lawyer when going to court.

Follow the guidelines given in “How to get Greek citizenship by claim of Greek origin,” and then decide for yourself if you want to spend 500 euros. Even if you spend that money, there’s no guarantee your application will be handled faster or better than if you did it yourself.

  Meli wrote @ July 29th, 2009 at 03:14

I just took my baby (12) to the airport for his first semi-solo experience in Athens and beyond -me ta thei tou. My husband started talking about the kids having diavateria on the way home from the airport. So of course I Googled dual citizenship as soon as I got home. WOW! The breadth of your information blew me away.

I called up to my husband, who was on the phone with his sister,tell her save a trip to the ministry-everything I need to know is here to start out.

Kat Reply:

I’m glad that we found each other, and this gives you a good jump-start to collecting documents you’ll need. If you have everything and get an application, it will go rather quickly and smoothly. Thanks for stopping in :)

  Vasilios wrote @ July 19th, 2011 at 20:30

Yay I finally found a post to comment on. I have used your blog QUITE a lot since I came to Athens on May 31, 2011. It has been highly useful for a broad range of things pertaining to life here for a non-EU Citizen.

I am an American citizen and only third generation Greek. So after reading about claiming Greek citizenship through heritage here and several other sites I did not have the highest hopes of it actually working out. I also hardly speak Greek, conversational at best. Today and yesterday I went hoofing all around Athens trying to start my filings since none of my friends have been available to assist. I am pretty adventurous but when you don’t understand any of the signs or labels its daunting.

Also for humors sake, I love when I ask someone, “Milas Agglika?” and they respond in Greek LOL and continue to speak Greek despite having answered that they do or little. So today I went to KEP and an office on Ypatias 6 and both places were VERY helpful and accomodating to me and my inability to communicate effectively. One lady even wrote down a paragraph in Greek for me to give a man at the next office I had to go (so he’d know what I needed). The man who will process my request for dual-citizenship explained what documents I need to track down and as long as I find them he said it looks promising.

I then went to the American Embassy and a lady there told me that rather then going back to the US to wait for a work visa I can request an extension of the Schengen Visa. So today was a good experience. Yesterday was not quite as pleasurable. I obtained my A.F.M from the foreigners office in Viktoria. I first went to Monastiraki because I thought that was my closest office (to Gazi), then I was sent to Omonia, where the lady was a straight up *you know what*, then I was sent finally to Viktoria. Sidenote: even at 1pm broad daylight, there were at least 30 people congregated in front of a museum shooting up, I was mortified because I was not prepared to see that (and I hate needles). I’m generally prepared when I pass throuh Omonia. Also at the eforia in Viktoria they speak English and there are examples of the forms posted on the wall that show what each field means in English, so that was a godsend.

So my dilemma that I present to you is that I have drained my savings that I came here with, I do not have a job now, but I may have an employer of a bar interested in taking me on here in Athens soon. My request for dual citizenship is processing and I may be able to apply for an extension of my visa….but what do I do to survive in the meantine, without going back to the US. I live in my own apartment in Gazi for only 250 euros a month and I paid for it through the end of September. Eating and living are of the essence though. What do you think?

P.S. I went to the army recruitment office at Petrou Ralli this morning and he had no idea about citizenship for voluntary military service. He asked me to return tomorrow at 9am to show him this law and so we can discuss it further. So I will do that since I have nothing better to do lol.

Thanks again for all your work here! Entertaining and informative.

Kat Reply:

Not sure why you didn’t have the highest hopes of applying for Greek citizenship via ancestry, or why you needed to ask anyone about processing dual citizenship. A step-by-step guide on what documents are needed and the entire process is detailed at “Greek citizenship via ancestry, origin & descent” with contributions from people who used it and were successful. You could have done a great deal of it in the USA in English at the Greek consulate/embassy.

“Only third generation?” Consider yourself lucky because there are people of no Greek origin who must meet a lot more requirements over several years, including speaking/reading/writing Greek, as described in “Greek citizenship via naturalization.”

Either you are confused or the American Embassy in Athens gave you incorrect information.

a) You are an American citizen, but you are of Greek descent and male, which means you have the option to apply for Greek citizenship as a means to live/work in Greece and are eligible for military draft.
b) Greece will not grant you a work visa or residence/work permit because you have the option to stake a claim to Greek citizenship, as described in (a).
c) If you try to apply for residence/work permit as an “American citizen,” Greek authorities will assume you are trying to avoid military draft and refuse to accept your application as explained in “FAQ: Greek residence/work permits.” You cannot play both sides and be American for a work permit, and be Greek for citizenship via ancestry. You must be one or the other.
d) Non-EU citizens of no Greek descent and without possibility to stake a claim to any EU citizenship are absolutely required be outside Greece to apply for work visas via the Greek consulate/embassy nearest their legal residence, then wait for approval from the Interior and Labor Ministry. One of many requirements for approval is the employer must prove that no EU citizen can be found to fill the position as explained in “How Americans/non-EU citizens can get a permit to move, live and work in Greece.” A bar job is not a specialty position.
e) Visa extensions are granted on the basis of compelling reasons (i.e. hospitalization) and require proof of financial independence as explained in “Overstaying a visa in Greece.” If you apply for an extension, I’d appreciate if you took notes on what docs/fees were required and give back to the website in exchange for the useful information you’ve received since arrival.
f) You will be expected to give answers on your military status and conscripted, as explained in “Mandatory Greek military service.” One of the only ways around it is to be a permanent resident abroad, a status you are forfeiting every day you stay in Greece.

I don’t understand why you waited almost 60 days to start the process of applying for Greek citizenship and neither will authorities.

Regarding money, I have no ideas for you because I do not know you or your qualifications, you are not in a legal working status, and I typically give job leads to dozens of close friends who have families and do not have the option to go to America as you do. My disclosure is detailed in “Comments, Questions and Contacting Me.”

I do not require people be grateful to receive advice, which is why this entire website is provided free of charge though it takes a lot of my time outside full-time professional and personal commitments. But I am more accommodating and appreciative when readers give back to the website and help me to help others. Consider contributing your experience. Good luck.

  Madeleine wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 23:00

The problem I have obtaining dual Greek-American citizenship (my mom is full Greek, born in Michigan; my Greek grandparents were born in Sparta and Gythio) is that the Greece Consulate in Illinois wants Greece proof that my grandparents were born there, of which currently I am having no luck obtaining. Grandparents were born at home and according to Sparti City Hall, records were not kept until 1925. Grandparents were born 1885 and 1890. I have grandparents USA Social Security documents, marriage license/application, and death certificates that all state they were born in Greece. What I’m puzzled with is trying to find when grandparents changed their names: Grandma was Ourania E____ in Gythio (Albina C___ in USA) and grandad was Charalambos K____ is Sparta (Harry L____ in USA).

Kat Reply:

Name changes should have been legally registered in both Greece and the USA, and it was your grandparents’ responsibility or your parents’ to maintain family records (oikogeneiaki merida).

All the help and advice I can provide has already been researched, translated, updated over four years and combined with the first-hand experiences of those who successfully did it at: “Greek citizenship by ancestry, origin or descent.” You can also look at comments from others in similar situations.

I closed questions on that post for the reason listed in the last comment and give a recommended course of action.

  John/Ioannis wrote @ August 16th, 2011 at 02:11

Your site provides great information, thanks.

Does it matter if my first name is spelled differently on my US and Greek passport? US says John, Greek says Ioannis. (I should have asked the consulate officer to match my American name rather than use the Latin spelling of the name. Figured it out a day later.)

My boarding pass will say John. Will this matter anywhere in the procedure to enter or exit Greece or Europe if I want to use my Greek passport?

I show the ticket agent and leave the US with my American passport, enter Greece with my Greek passport. When I leave Greece I will show the ticket agent my American passport (name will match on boarding pass) and show the Customs officer my Greek passport; show US passport on US arrival? Correct?

Also, sometimes I connect in Europe (Paris, Amsterdam e.g) to Athens. Can I show my Greek passport in Paris customs on my entry and exit or will they ask for a boarding pass?

Kat Reply:

In the section ‘How is my Greek name written in Latin?’ under “Greek passport,” I explain that Greece follows an ELOT 743 formula compatible with ISO standards to transliterate Greek names. Therefore, you may not have had a choice, and asking might have been fruitless, though some Greeks abroad report that they were able to have two names listed in Latin letters, i.e., Evridiki Sofia and Eurydice Sophie.

There’s no way to predict if airlines and security will question this, as some people are familiar with international names and some are not. Greeks here will sometimes see Jon as a completely different name that Jonathan, even though it’s obviously a shortened version. The best thing you can do is be ready with both passports to show them the differences in your first name, if they question why your boarding pass doesn’t exactly match the Greek passport.

What you stated in the fourth paragraph is correct, since all you did was repeat the example I give above in the article.

In Europe, you should use your Greek passport/Greek ID; but, again, because of the difference in spelling on your boarding pass, I would keep both passports handy.

My general experience in traveling over 15 years is they ask for your boarding pass and passport/identity at several points before embarking, i.e., At check-in (of course), in the passengers-only part of the airport once leaving duty free and food, at customs/border control, at airport security screening, at a booth where passengers fill out cards (some have it, some don’t), at gate security screening (some have it, some don’t), at pre-boarding check before getting on the plane. Once on the plane, they only care about your boarding pass unless you cause an incident.

Kalo taxidi.

  Vicki wrote @ November 20th, 2011 at 18:57

I wish to obtain dual citizenship with Greece. My mother is 1/2 Greek. (died this year) Her father was born in Sparti, Greece. I have his birth certificate from Greece. I have all the birth, death certificates of my grandparents and parents. Am I qualified for dual citizenship based on my grandfather’s Greek birth? I hope so. I love Greece, the culture and all associated with it. Please let me know your thoughts.
Thank you!

Kat Reply:

Hi Vicki,

If you’re able to collect all the documents and jump through the bureaucratic hoops necessary to stake a claim, you can get Greek citizenship through a grandfather. See a step-by-step process at “Greek citizenship by Greek origin, descent or ancestry.”

  Johnny M. wrote @ November 21st, 2011 at 07:48

To John and Kat: its sad when we have to use English names because people in North America can’t pronounce anything past one syllable. But one important thing to remember: names cannot be translated. For instance, the first part of my double [given] [English] name might be ‘John’, but that’s not my REAL name. It’s akin to situations where an English name is used instead of a Chinese name.

I remember when I was stopped by customs, going into the USA — they were racially profiling me for some odd reason, and I have Greek and Canadian citizenship – they asked me questions in the beginning like, “what’s your name”, and I said to them “which one? My real name or my English name?” And he looked at me funny and asked, among other stupid things, “is your passport fake?” ….he was a moron obviously, but you get my point. Just remember to always be precise in those situations. And that names cannot be translated.

Kat Reply:

Racial profiling happens everywhere, authorities sometimes pull you out of line because they need to meet a certain quota and pick ‘nice’ people, and attempts by passengers to be combative or clever can rightfully be interpreted as suspicious.

In essence, I agree with you that Greek/English names should not be translated and aren’t the same, i.e., Vasilis is not Basil and Johnny is not Giannis, just as Greek words often don’t have an exact translation to English because the core meaning is lost.

However, new policies in place now allow two names in Greek passports. A Greek in London reported that her name in Latin letters was listed as: Evridiki Sofia and Eurydice Sophie. See “Greek passport.”

  jimmy wrote @ December 22nd, 2011 at 05:33

My cousin wishes to come and live in the US, he lives in Greece with his wife and has asked for my help in making it happen. Of course I want to help him as much as I can, but am not sure where to begin. Due to the poor economy there he has had to close his business and sell his restaurant. He is 56 years old and quite desperate to begin a new life here in the US. A family friend is willing to hire him as a chef for his restaurant, but we’re not sure how to proceed in getting him here legally and meeting all the requirements necessary for citizenship.

While he has no one in his direct family living here, he has quite a few secondary family (cousins/ Aunts/Uncles). Eventually he would like to have his wife and daughters immigrate as well. There is so much information available it can be quite daunting to someone as inexperienced as myself. Should he go to his local immigration office, get a temporary work visa?, apply for a green card, get a dual citizenship, can I sponsor him as his cousin, or is that helpful?
Thanks so much for your help in advance,

jimmy

Kat Reply:

There are two main ways Greeks can immigrate to the USA:

1. Through a family member: A family member is defined as a fiance/spouse, child, parent and (last preference) adult brothers and sisters, plus there are a lot of requirements to sponsor someone, including income, domicile, 10-year legally binding contracts, medical exams and fees. It’s not as simple as being married or related. You can read more at, “Family members of U.S. citizens.” Green cards and citizenship are only granted after several years residency in the USA or ancestry, same as Greece.

2. Work: U.S. work visas are issued to immigrants with specialized skills and advanced degrees, or entrepreneurs who are investors. Working in a restaurant is not a specialized profession, and open positions can be filled with local residents. All countries prefer young workers (under 30) who speak the country’s language, plus the USA has 14 million unemployed persons — more than the population of Greece — so it has no reason to import workers and grant green cards, unless it can be proven that no U.S. citizen is fit to fill the job (again, same as Greece). You can read more at, “Permanent Workers.”

He can find out more by calling or visiting the U.S. Embassy in Athens or U.S. Consulate in Thessaloniki, who will give him the same info I gave you.

It would be easier for your cousin to choose an EU country under less strain or send his daughters to work somewhere, assuming they are multilingual and of age.

  Lukas wrote @ December 27th, 2011 at 00:51

Comment 1:
Hi Kat,

I wanted to let you know I just got word last week from the Greek Embassy in DC that my dual citizenship between the US and Greece just went through. They accepted my application by way of Grandmother. It took about 2-1/2 years.

Thought I would keep you posted!

Lukas

Comment 2:
Hi Kat,

I am doing great, and sorry I am not a follower of yours on Twitter. I am new to Twitter and have not figured it out yet!

I appreciate your invaluable site. Without your website, I would not have know what to do and was able to get all of my ducks in a row when I first went to the consulate.

My mother did receive her citizenship, but truthfully, I am not sure when it went through. I suppose it was over the summer of 2011 as that was the last contact I had with my point of contact at the consulate before she left her post to head back to Greece. At that point in time, she had said that my mother’s was not a problem and went through. With that said, the consulate has never called my mother to take an oath and when I went down last week to take my oath I asked the Consul directly about her case. They indicated because she got her citizenship directly through her mother and not through naturalization such as myself, it was not necessary for her to take the oath. Strange in my opinion.

After taking my oath, the Consul indicated they had to send the signed paperwork back to Greece to be posted in the government gazette. They did not give me a reference for time. How long do you think it will take until I hear back again? At that point when the Consulate calls me back, will I go back and then register for my Passport, then the draft?

Also, I wanted to point out that the Consul wanted to know where I wanted to be registered in Greece, I said Athens as I was not total sure if it had to be the same location as my mother which is Pireaus. They indicated because of my naturalization process it most likely did not matter where I registered.

Lastly, I spoke with the Consul about me traveling to Greece prior to getting a Greek passport. She indicated it would be fine BUT as soon as I get my Greek passport she advised me not to go back to Greece until I get my draft papers stating I am a permanent resident in the US.

Due to your website, I had the knowledge I needed and was able to ask appropriate questions.

Please keep up the good work as I do frequent your website to work through the Greek system. Now it’s time to continue my fluency in Greek and hopefully get a summer home there!

Please do not hesitate to email me with any questions and you’re welcome to add me as a case study. It was a relatively easy process, but took time. I had actually been gathering my data to submit since November 2008!

Xronia Polla!

Lukas

Comment 3:
Hi Kat,

Hope you’re well! I am not sure if you got my last post! I know you’ve been busy with your amazing site, but now that I took my allegience, how long before the next step in the process before I get a Greek Passport! I’ve scanned your site, and I am sure it’s here but I can’t find it! =)

Thanks for such an informative site!

Lukas

Comment 4:
Thanks for the input. Seems as if I am in limbo as I’ve given my sworn and signed testimony which was sent back to Greece but I have yet to fill out any military obligations or the Pistopolitiko Monimou Katoikou Exoterikou.

I’ve emailed the embassy to see if I need to do anything further. I’ll keep you posted as again, I value your site and hope that any information I give can help you inform more people.

PS- Kudos to you. I’ve read through a lot of your posts. I feel I’ve really read through the majority of your posts and taken your advice unlike the majority. Please keep up the good work and be an advocate for us on the other side while you also fight tough new austerity measures! Hopefully, one day everything will settle down, I can move to Greece and have a simple little life on the islands! Grass is always greener =)

Lukas

Comment 5:
Hi Kat, Still no word from the Embassy here in DC, its been just about 4 months since I signed my paperwork with Greece. I’ll call the Embassy tomorrow.

On a side note, I’ve not looked too hard, but do you have any information on your site or do you have knowledge of purchasing property in Greece? I’ve been doing a lot of research, but I figured I would ask you since you clearly are knowledgable on Greek affairs!

as always, Lukas

Comment 6:
HI Kat- Thanks for the advice on buying a home in Greece. We’ll see what happens with that.

Just a quick note, I called the embassy to see how much longer before I get a call to come in and start the next process. They indicated most likely due to the elections, it would be another six months at minimum!

Just fyi! Take care. Lukas

Comment 7:
Good Day Kat,

I hope things are calming down just slightly in Greece. I’ve not been in-touch with the Embassy here in DC just yet about my papers. Last I spoke with them in April, they indicated due to the election(s) my papers would not be going through until workers knew they could see it through.

Nonetheless, I am glad to hear Greece will stay in the EU (for now) and I will contact the Embassy to see if anything new has transpired (doubtful).

Hope all is well in Athens!

Best, Lukas

Comment 8:
Hi Kat! Hope all is well! No word from the embassy! I figure I will call back in september after the august break!

Best, Lukas

PS- I will write down the process for the military paper work and the forms I need to fill out as I am a permanent resident abroad if I ever get to that point =)

PSS- Is there a way to see if my name has been put into the Government Gazette yet? I’ve tried to look this up with no avail!

Thank you Kat. Send me your information. I will call the embassy after the August recess and see what I can find out, although I am doubtful!

Best, Lukas

Comment 9:
Well I am truly giving you a play by play. I just got call from the embassy today stating that I needed to sign another piece of paper stating that I am not registered in a different municipality in Greece than I stated on my application.

As always,

Luke

Comment 10:
Hi Kat-

I just got a call from the embassy. They indicated that they received the certificate from the municipality I registered in and I can now apply for my Greek Passport! I guess everything has gone through but I still need to sign the paper work saying I live in the US right?

It took a long time, but thanks to your website I am almost done!

Lukas

Kat Reply:

Answer 1:
Hi Lukas,

How are you? I got your message via Twitter, but you’re not following me so I could not send you a message.

From the time you first left a comment, saying you applied for Greek citizenship via your grandmother, until now is exactly 2 years and 8 months! A question for you: Did your mother ever get dual citizenship? You last mentioned in May 2010 that her application was moving through the process, but never said whether it was granted and when.

Also, may I add you to my file of case studies and contact you via email if I have follow-up questions? I appreciate you coming back time and again to share your experience and provide follow-up, and I’d also like to commend you on being patient and persevering to the end. I’m glad you got what you wanted.

Nice to see you again.

Answer 2:
Ela, Luka! You should know better than to ask when Greece is going to do something. This country has its own timeline and results may vary.

If you’re waiting for them to publish the decision in the Government Gazette and return papers back, you’ll need to wait for those, then you should be asked to complete papers related to your military status and register for the draft. When that’s done, you should file for a Permanent Citizen Abroad pistopoiitiko and then get a Type B exemption. At that point, you can apply for a Greek passport because the Type B certificate is required to do that.

You can always move your oikogeneiaki merida/registration. It’s more important that you remember where it is.

Answer 3:
Hi Lukas,

Because you’re of military age, you need to see the section ‘For males 19-45′, then ‘What happens next’ at “Greek citizenship via ancestry.” If you did the military papers and got your citizenship certificates, then you need to clarify your military status — in your case, I assume a permanent citizen abroad certificate (Pistopoiitiko Monimou Katoikou Exoterikou) and a Pistopoiitiko Stratologikis Katastasis Typou B’ are in order. I do not have instructions on the last two because I’m not Greek or a man, everyone I know did their military, and no one has contributed any first-hand info.

Once that’s done, see “Greek passport” on guidelines to submit an application and look at average processing times for Greeks abroad.

My obligations go beyond this website, but I’m always willing to help people who have given back. Like you.

Answer 4:
It’s clear to me when people make an effort to read the information before asking a question, and I know you’ve done that. Please don’t feel that you need to justify yourself. You’ve given back to the website, and I’m happy to help you.

Any information you may have on applying for the Permanent Resident Abroad pistopoiitiko and the Type B exemption is appreciated. I typically collect first-hand information from at least three people, then combine it with official documentation to publish an article.

You won’t be retiring for a long time, so hopefully Greece will have sorted itself out by then if it doesn’t implode. ;)

Wishing you all the best, as always. – K

Answer 5:
Hi again, Lukas. As you know, I always try to combine real-life experience with official documentation to create my articles, and there isn’t one on buying property because I’ve no plans to purchase anything here. I know plenty of people who have, and some used lawyers and had an easy time and others had a terrible time for various reasons having to do with shoddy records, sellers lying about the properties and other bureaucratic obstacles that took years, experts (electricians, surveyors, engineers, lawyers, banks, accountants, etc.) and a lot of money to sort out.

No one took detailed notes on their experience, so I cannot provide anything more than what is “supposed to happen.” I’m sure you know from your own experience that this rarely happens in reality.

Answer 6:
The day before you left your comment, someone complained that it was taking too long for Greek citizenship to be processed. I told him that 6 months is not a long time to wait, and that further delays would result from ministries not working and elections taking place.

Not happy that you’ve had to wait such a long time. But glad that you and I are in sync!

Answer 7:
Hi Lukas, always nice to hear from you but sorry to learn your citizenship hasn’t been processed yet. That’s how it is in Greece, also. Poly siga!!! ;)

Answer 8:
I think the fact we’ve had five different governments in 7 months has had a negative impact on state and consular/embassy services. It’s quite unfortunate, and I hope all turns out well in the end.

One of the first things Samaras did as PM was shut down transparency in government circulars and laws, bringing the website to a halt and taking TV cameras out of Parliamentary boardrooms. Therefore, I have no information on where you could look up your name. :( Sorry! Edo Ellada.

Any notes you take on the permanent resident abroad certificate and type B military exemption are appreciated. I will contact you via email so you can give them to me privately.

Answer 10:

Yes, that’s right. I deleted Comment 11 on October 22 because I don’t copy info from other websites, but the text is included in the email I sent to the address you provided. Check your inbox, talk soon.

  Kostas wrote @ January 11th, 2012 at 04:08

I submited my papers to the Greek embassy near where i live in the USA. The person working there told me she will get back in touch with me when everything is all set. It has been over 8 months now. My father is in Greece now and wants to see if he can speed the process up or at least find out whats going on. Where would he go or call to find out whats going on.(He was told to go to Athens by the town city hall where my grandmother lives).

Kat Reply:

See the section ‘Processing time for Greek citizenship’ and relevant contact info at “Greek citizenship through claim of ancestry, origin or descent.”

  Gina wrote @ March 22nd, 2012 at 08:19

I’m applying for dual citizenship. I have work lined up but eventually I want to start my own business. Does the Greek government offer aid, financial or otherwise, to entrepeurs like the US does? Any extras I can take advatage as a “re-patriot”‘? Also what am I allowed to import as far as personal belongings? I have a Pryus, a dog and a cat. I also want to build a little house in the village where papouli’s old rock kaliva fell years ago. Any advice on that? Lastly any advice on settling in, culture shock, navigating the beurocracy, plugging in to the internet, etc. would be much appreciated! Thank you for your blog!

Kat Reply:

You can see “How to start a business in Greece.”

The majority of people figure out how to pack, ship and export their goods and pets on their own, as I did twice from NY and CA; contact the Greek embassy/consulate nearest you if you need help.

As explained in “Comments, Questions and Contacting Me,” this website is run in my unpaid time and serves as a starting point. It is not a crutch to lean on for everything. Life’s joys come through discovery, experience and some mystery, plus GR is a ‘results may vary’ country. Good luck.

  karen wrote @ May 16th, 2012 at 16:50

my daughter is an us citizen and got married in greece to a greece citizen, now she is going to have a baby, should she come to the us to have the child?

Kat Reply:

For citizenship purposes or why are you asking?

The baby is entitled to dual American-Greek citizenship, as long as your daughter meets residency requirements and registers the baby’s birth at the American embassy.

I’d only recommend having the baby in the U.S. for two reasons:
a) Public hospitals in Greece offer substandard treatment/conditions, i.e., No air conditioning in summer, six women to a room, must pay bribes, etc.
b) If a foreign spouse is not getting along with the Greek citizen. Why? Because a baby will never be able to get a passport to leave the country without both parents’ consent, thus trapping the non-Greek spouse in Greece with the baby or forcing him/her to leave the baby behind to save himself/herself. This is one reason many divorced foreign women remain in Greece against their will until the child turns 12.

  Dawn wrote @ May 22nd, 2012 at 22:34

Your comment was moved to “Greek citizenship by ancestry, descent or origin.”

  Vaso wrote @ June 21st, 2012 at 14:45

I’m a Greek citizen and my boyfriend is an American citizen. If we get merry married in the US, can I keep my greek citizenship and to have the American too? Because from what we have searched for I have to keep only one citizenship and I would like to keep my Greek one too. Is there a change in the law or something that have me drop my Greek one?

Kat Reply:

As it says in the first two sentences, America and Greece allow dual citizenship. The laws did not change, as there are millions of people holding both and hundreds of Americans using my website to get Greek citizenship.

Marrying an American does not automatically grant you U.S. citizenship — you need to go through naturalization after many years of residing in America, learning the language and history, plus passing tests. Same as Greece. There’s no way to predict what laws will be in the future.

  Christina wrote @ July 4th, 2012 at 05:30

Your question was transferred to “Greek citizenship by ancestry” per the policy stated in my last comment on that post.

  Eleni wrote @ July 4th, 2012 at 21:28

Comment 1:
Your website is incredible. Thank you!
I am a second generation Greek-American (American of Greek decent descent) and have always been interested in gaining dual citizenship. I have made some small efforts to locate all of my family’s documents and while I have some questions about some struggles with that, my primary concern is actually in understanding the full obligations of citizenship (or rather, dual citizenship). As a woman, I am happily exempted from the military obligation, but are there voting or tax or other obligations for a non-property holder? Also, how might (yes, this is highly speculative) obligations change given the austerity measures and EU concerns?
Thank you and kind regards,
Eleni

Comment 2:
That is interesting news regarding voting. I suppose they do this to help control false ballots. I had remembered a family friend anxiously waiting for his daughter to arrive on the ferry and home to the island of Syros before the closing of the polls. This was many years ago, but he said that if she did not return to the place of her birth to vote it was cause for jailing. Somehow I feared it might be a requirement of all Greek citizens, obliging the citizen to return to Greece from wherever they were in the world to vote!

Comment 3:
It is good to learn that no one has been jailed for not voting. Still, I hold our family friend to have been sincere in his concern, and I used this merely as an example of potentially misunderstood or ill-informed obligations of citizenship.

In response to your concerns of plagiarism: the information and list of required documents for citizenship via ancestry was written out for me by hand after a conversation with a consulate official. There was no official documentation provided and this was roughly 15-years ago when the Drachma was still in use and internet access was extremely limited in Greece. Only I was told at that time that citizenship was only possible if the lineage could be proven on the patriarchal side. Though, it was explained to me that this was perhaps in part due to the old, Greek equivalent to the US Social Security numbering system which did not distinguish women from their fathers or husbands. Thankfully is appears this has changed!

Thank you again for your time and interest in maintaining such a forum/reference. Your insight on happenings in Greece is appreciated.

Be well.
Eleni
I will certainly follow up with the consulate, but wonder if they will give me complete or accurate information as you have noted in some of your posts that that has not always been the case. That said, when I inquired some years ago at the Greek consulate in San Francisco, they were very helpful (in most ways) and gave me the same list of requirements/documents that you itemize. They did tell me (at the consulate) that I could have difficulty retrieving proof of my grandfather’s birth in Greece due to my family in Greece perhaps sabotaging my efforts. When I pressed for reasons for this scenario, I was more or less patted on the head for being naive.

So, perhaps if others reading have experience with obligations of Greek/Dual citizenship they might leave further comments?

Kind regards,
Eleni

Kat Reply:

Answer 1:
You cannot vote in Greece unless you are registered and inside the country’s borders during elections.

I do not answer questions on tax obligations for legal reasons and because laws are highly complicated (and constantly changing) and involve much more than nationality and property. You can consult an accountant who has expertise on these matters or the Greek embassy/consulate nearest you. Keep in mind that no one can predict the future.

All the assistance I offer on Greek citizenship via ancestry is based on research, translations and first-hand experience of people who were successful in completing the process.

All best.

Answer 2:

It has nothing to do with false ballots. It’s an outdated law that doesn’t allow citizens abroad to vote. Jails are overcrowded; no one has been jailed for not voting.

I’d be surprised if the Greek consulate gave you the same list of documents, but kudos if they did. I started this website and select subjects to cover because no resources exist or the few that do are inaccurate, which is why I combine documentation with first-hand experience and update them on a consistent basis. A number of official government and embassy/consular websites, expat forums popped up after livingingreece.gr; and they refuse to remove plagiarized research and translations I performed.

  Theo wrote @ July 10th, 2012 at 01:47

Hello,
I am a Greek-American living in Greece. My father passed away 2 months ago in the US. Now I need a death certificate here in Greece for hanging legal matters. Can you please help me by telling me how to go about it?
Thank you

Kat Reply:

My understanding is you must contact the Vital Statistics Office in the city or county/district where the death occurred in the USA, and ask them how to request a death certificate and pay any associated costs. Follow whatever procedure they outline.

If you plan to use the certificate in Greece, then you need to get an apostille applied to certify its authenticity for international use. See “How to get an apostille.”

Once receiving the death certificate and apostille, you need to have them translated from English to Greek. See “Translations to Greek.”

  Helene wrote @ August 25th, 2012 at 16:40

I will be in Greece over 90 days. I have my USA passport and my Greek ID. Anything else I may need. Truly, Helene.

Kat Reply:

If you don’t have a Greek passport, you are normally required to use your U.S. passport for the entire length of your journey, which means you are only allowed to stay up to 90 days in any 180-day period as an American. You cannot travel from America to the Greek border, then enter with a Greek ID.

By law, a Greek ID can only used for travel between Schengen or EU member states.

However, because you are a female Greek citizen and not subject to military draft, they probably won’t bother or fine you for overstaying.

  Courtenay wrote @ October 6th, 2012 at 14:52

Your comment was transferred to “Greek citizenship by claim of origin, descent, ancestry” and added to your two previous on January 27, 2011.

  Kat wrote @ October 17th, 2012 at 05:57

I have searched your posts/website for the last two days and am so happy to have found it. The information you have collected is so helpful and informative. I hope I am not asking a question that has been covered or answered previously but I believe my situation to be unique and would appreciate it if you would be able to answer and assist me with my situation.I have been going crazy trying to find the answer!

My boyfriend lives in Greece, I am a Greek-American. I plan on moving to Greece and will apply for my citizenship by Greek decent descent. My mother and father (now deceased) were both born in Greece. I know all of the papers I will need thanks to your website in order to go about this and I understand the process.

However, I am wondering if after I have applied if I will be able to obtain a blue paper to be able to travel back to America based on this application for citizenship? Or will I have to wait until I am granted citizenship and then apply for my Greek passport to travel? I understand that a blue paper is given once an application for a permit has been filed for work/residency but I am not sure if I am able to obtain a blue paper to travel based on my application for citizenship. Unfortunately my 90 day tourist visa period will expire and I need to be back in America in the spring. I understand that with a blue paper there are only certain times one can travel.

If this is not possible then what if my boyfriend and I are married and I apply for citizenship that way in order to get a blue paper or a Greek taftotita would I then able to travel that way after my tourist visa has expired?

Basically I plan on moving to Greece, applying for citizenship, but need a way to come back to America even though my tourist visa will be expired. My main question is how I can I do this if at all? Thank you!

Kat Reply:

Your questions stem from confusing two different Greek citizenship processes with the residence permit process. They’re not related in any way.

In the eyes of immigration, you are a non-EU citizen. You can call yourself Greek-American and no doubt you’re of Greek origin, but the bottom line is you do not have Greek/EU citizenship until the day it’s granted. Therefore, you have two choices:
a) Get a Greek residence/work permit as an American citizen. The only path I see based on the information you provided is through marriage. *Warning: Some women of Greek origin have a permit through marriage; some authorities refuse to take a permit application and tell women of Greek origin to apply for citizenship.
or
b) Get Greek citizenship and a Greek passport through your parents and enter/exit/live/work as a Greek citizen. Your American citizenship is then irrelevant.
– Greek citizenship via ancestry is the fastest possible route.
– Greek citizenship via marriage requires 3-10 years residency before qualifying for naturalization.

You need to choose one. You cannot flip-flop or be/do both based on whatever suits the circumstance.

If you read the Greek citizenship via ancestry article, you’ll see that no bebaiosi (blue paper) is issued. Why? Because there isn’t one. You get a receipt with a protocol number. That’s all. You could show it to border authorities in hopes they show leniency and won’t fine you for overstaying your visa, but there are no guarantees as it lawfully entitles you to do nothing. Most people sort out their affairs, then come to Greece; or stay in Greece until the process finishes, then apply for a passport and travel. A Greek taftotita only facilitates travel within the EU/Schengen.

It’s only when a non-EU citizen applies for a residence/work permit that a bebaiosi (blue paper) is issued. It entitles the holder to travel to their homeland at any time, as explained in “Non-EU citizens in Greece with a bebaiosi may travel home.”

You need to decide on what’s most important to you and which path to take based on long-term priorities and benefits, irrespective of how fast/slow Greece processes applications.

  Lee wrote @ November 6th, 2012 at 19:46

If you are an American citizen trying to obtain Dual Citizenship due to both parents being born in Greece, how soon would you have to serve military time in Greece (if you live in the US) once you become a dual citizen? If you pay to opt out, when would you have to do at minimum the training and would it be done in Greece? Also if you have a child born in the US and you are a dual citizen, but your spouse is not, would the child be born a dual citizen? If not, what would you need to do in order for the child to be a dual citizen?

Kat Reply:

Answers to military questions can be found at, “Mandatory military service in Greece” and in ‘Comments,’ where men ask the same questions.

Regarding Greek citizenship for your child, this question is answered at “Greek citizenship by Greek origin, descent and ancestry.”

  Justin wrote @ November 20th, 2012 at 06:16

Your comment/question was transferred to “Greek passport.”

  John wrote @ January 11th, 2013 at 05:06

Your questions were moved to “Mandatory military service in Greece.”

  lisa wrote @ January 17th, 2013 at 03:33

Can one have 3 citizenships? Canada, greece and USA?

  Despo wrote @ January 27th, 2013 at 22:10

Your comments and questions have been moved to “How to get a visa and residence permit for Greece.”

  Don wrote @ February 2nd, 2013 at 18:17

Hi.
I am an American born citizen with no Greek ancestry. However, in 2003 I purchased a house on the island of Zakynthos. It is paid for and I travel back and forth twice a year. I’m wondering if it will be hard for me to get dual citizenship. Sounds like it’s a no, but I wanted to find out. Any thoughts or advice?

Kat Reply:

All the ways you could acquire Greek citizenship are listed in the section, “Nature of citizenship.” You could also click “Ways to get Greek citizenship,” a link immediately following the list to understand the requirements for each path. In that article under “Acquiring Greek citizenship as an investor,” it says citizenship cannot be acquired by simply buying a home or being an investor.

If you qualify another way, there’s no way for me to determine that based on the little information you disclosed.

  Niko wrote @ March 28th, 2013 at 23:54

Niko here, the Greek Filipino guy. How are you? Hope all is well. I’ve mentioned this before but thanks to your website I now have a new Greek passport (through military papers I acquired since I’m a permanent resident abroad). That part is fine. Again, thanks for your help.

Now I’ve got a question about this American citizenship. Well, not the citizenship just yet. Like I said in a previous post, I’ve had a girlfriend for a very long time who is American. We are planning to marry one day. My only question – being Greek Filipino, what happens if that day comes I can acquire American citizenship? If I apply using my Greek side, would the Filipino part even matter? (PI doesn’t allow dual citizenship but allows acquiring it again if you lose it to another citizenship). And an interesting question that hasn’t been tackled. I’m still a “resident abroad” meaning I’m exempt from military service. So if that day comes I can apply for American citizenship, will my Greek status towards military obligation change because I’ve become an American citizen as well? (Ex. Yes we allow dual citizenship but you must complete your military duties even if you are a permanent resident abroad, before we “permit” you to get your American citizenship?). I know you’re a woman and a highly talented one at that but if you know anyone who had or has a similar question as mine I would truly appreciate it, as I always do.

All the best!
- Niko

Kat Reply:

Over the last four years I invested countless unpaid hours of my free time to answer 25+ questions and spoon-feed information to help you get Greek citizenship and a Greek passport. In exchange, I asked for only one thing — take detailed notes on getting your PRA certificate and Type B military exemption, so I could write a step-by-step article to help other men. You gave me three sentences. Seriously.

I consider myself a person of goodwill and generosity, but I’ve reached my absolute limit in this case. Please contact Greek and American authorities to ask your questions. Good luck.

  alexandra wrote @ April 5th, 2013 at 21:21

Your question was moved to “Greek passport.”

  Constantine wrote @ May 7th, 2013 at 06:58

Your questions were transferred to, “Greek citizenship via Greek origin, descent or ancestry.”

  Chris wrote @ May 31st, 2013 at 00:40

I’ve written an account of my Greek citizenship story including my registration, PRA, and passport processes. It’s rather long (nearly 4,000 words), so I’d rather email it to you than paste it here. If you’re interested in reading and possibly posting for your readers, please send me an email and I’ll reply with it.

All the best,
Chris

Kat Reply:

I’d be particularly interested in the PRA process, as I’ve only so far collected experiences and notes from two men and need a third.

However, I don’t typically email first-time commentators with email addresses where the URL leads to a blank page. This is nothing personal against you, just a reflection of bad experiences involving readers who took advantage of my goodwill or violated my privacy.

Thanks so much for your generous offer, and I hope my 4000-word article helped you.

  Christos wrote @ July 1st, 2013 at 01:43

HI, i am a dual citizen usa/greek. my greek passport is expired and just wondering if i can use my greek id card to enter greece coming from USA. I just dont want to use my usa passport to wait the long line.. thanks

Kat Reply:

Your question is already answered above in section ‘Which passport should I use?’

  Annette wrote @ August 2nd, 2013 at 20:18

Thank you for pulling the volume of information together. This is an informative website loaded with very useful information. Maybe I missed it but do you have a link for the Greek tax ramification for someone that decides to apply for a dual citizenship? I have reviewed the IRS website and understand my tax obligation for them. Also based on your review of this whole process although many Greek Americans would be proud of having dual citizenship as you mentioned there is really no advantage to obtaining one unless you plan to work and live there full time. I live in the U.S. and only go for the summers. The only consideration that I am giving to obtaining it is because I am older than most of the folks on your blog and have inherited property from my mother’s side of the family. It appears that the citizenship aspect may be detrimental to me financially in regards to the amount of taxes that I will be responsible to pay ( either inheritance or annual property taxes). Any links to other websites would be appreciated. Thank you.

Kat Reply:

In section ‘Pros and cons of Greek dual citizenship,’ I say that people should consult an accountant and/or tax attorney in ‘Cons.’

As everyone’s income status, origin and obligations are uniquely different, and tax laws in all countries are constantly changing, there’d be no way that I (or any generalist) can cover the subject with a simple link or article. As an example of what I’m saying, a single tax law I describe on this website required 4000 words and has been updated more than 50 times in 2 years.

  Tom wrote @ August 21st, 2013 at 02:10

I was born in Athens in 1955 to American parents. My father was an advisor to the Greek military. We lived in Greece for three years, does this qualify me for dual citizenship, my mother always thought so?

Kat Reply:

Absolutely not.

Birth in Greece to non-Greek parents before 2010 or simply living here for three years has never entitled anyone to Greek citizenship, as it says above in section, ‘Nature of citizenship.’ Click the links for ‘Naturalization’ and ‘Ways to get Greek citizenship’ to understand why.

  Lexi wrote @ September 28th, 2013 at 05:33

1:
Hey! I know this is an old post but I was wondering how they do citizenship for sports? I am a figure skater and am thinking about switching countries. My father’s side of the family is all Greek and I know they had only a handful of figure skaters and I would love to represent Greece. IOC rules only state I have to be a citizen or a duel dual citizen.

I know one girl a few years back from Chicago competed for Greece but I’m not sure how I would go about doing what she did (and I’m not sure what she did.) I have documentation of my blood line. Do they have special expediency policies on sports?

Thanks!

(I also have lived in Europe but not in Greece.)

2:
Thank you so much for your speedy reply! (I also didn’t see the rolling updates whoops).

These articles are the only ones I can find that have good clear step-by-step instructions, so thank you!!! I’m probably going to contact the Greek embassy in DC (since I live right near it) to start up the process. Thanks again!

Kat Reply:

All articles are updated on a rolling basis, with this one in July 2013, so it’s not “old.”

If your father’s side of the family is all Greek, you stake a claim via ancestry as stated in #1 of section ‘Nature of citizenship.’ See, “Greek citizenship by Greek origin, descent or descent” for instructions.

Citizenship is not being granted another way at this time, not even to non-Greeks who were born, raised and living in Greece their entire lives.

  George P. wrote @ October 23rd, 2013 at 01:35

Thank you for hard work in preparing this website.

I have a quick question….My mother and father were born in Greece and my wife and I were born in the US and are US citizens only….would our children (all born in the US) be Greek nationals (though not Greek citizens)?

Regards,

George

Kat Reply:

This question is already answered at “Greek citizenship by claim of origin, descent or ancestry,” which is the first link in the article above. All best.

  Kat wrote @ November 14th, 2013 at 16:10

Hello,

My father will obtain Greek citizenship through his grandfather who was born in Greece. My father was born in New York. Once my father gets his citizenship, I would like to apply as well. The consulate in New York is telling us that I will have to turn in the same papers my father did (this means reordering, translating and getting apostilles stamps for around 12 documents!). They said since my father was not born in Greece and I am over 18, I have to “prove” being Greek. This doesn’t make sense to me though, if my father has a Greek passport, can I not just apply through him? Thanks for your help

Kat Reply:

Makes total sense. If your father wasn’t born in Greece, there’s no way you can apply through him. See section ‘Nature of citizenship’ in the above article; or read section ‘Who qualifies’ and other info at “Greek citizenship via ancestry.’

  Kat wrote @ November 14th, 2013 at 22:00

Due to redundant questions, whining and no one giving back to the website in exchange for free assistance they receive — except Lukas — I’m temporarily closing this post to all Comments.

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