Living, Working, Musing & Misadventures in Greece

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How Americans/non-EU citizens can get a permit to live and work in Greece

Want to live and work in Greece? If you’re already an EU citizen, no problem — EU citizens from any of the 27 member states have the right to live and work in Greece without restriction. If you’re an American, Canadian, Australian or other non-EU citizen with plans to immigrate, be aware that Greek residence/work permits are involved in living and working in Greece.

Before packing up your things or looking for a job, it’s important to understand what options are legally open to you. Greece and the EU are not open to everyone, just as your own country is not open to everyone.

Please be patient and take the time to read this article and the comments carefully, as it will provide you with a full explanation and answer many questions based on official documentation and real-life experience. It’s not available anywhere else and is constantly updated with the latest information. Similar versions on other websites and forums were plagiarized from this post.

* Article last updated June 13, 2010

Background information

Greece categorizes its residents into four distinct groups and ranks them accordingly:

1) Greek citizens born and raised in Greece

2) repatriated Greek citizens from abroad

3) non-Greek EU citizens (Romanian and Bulgarian citizens can work/live in Greece without a permit as of January 1, 2009)

4) non-EU citizens (nationality is unimportant, whether you’re Canadian, American, Australian, Albanian, Chinese, Filipino, Georgian, Russian, South African, etc.). It is a myth that U.S., Canadian and Australian citizens have an easier time.

Unemployment is higher in Greece than other EU countries, and alarmingly so for university educated people between the ages of 25-35, with women (more than 50 percent), immigrants and the disabled particularly affected. The demand is for uneducated, unskilled workers, and connections and cronyism prevail; this is not expected to change in the next 20 years, if ever (see “Value of a university degree in Greece“). Of the EU’s “Big 15,” Greece ranks next to last in salaries (only Portugal ranked lower) at 10-30% 25% of an American/Canadian salary for the same job on average; there is a lucky minority of people securing high salaries, though most are through connections and cronyism. See, “Monthly salaries of EU countries” for a chart. The salary gap only appears to be closing because of the strength of the euro, not because Greek salaries are going up.

In addition to low salaries, quality of living is not on par with cost of living, with the quality being low and cost of living in Greece being high. It is not the cheap paradise it once was in the 1990s. Consumers in Greece often pay double the cost of groceries compared to cities such as Brussels, Stockholm, New York and London. See, “Salary vs. Cost and Quality of Living of EU countries.”

Most young people speak some English. However, all public sector services and applications, 95 percent of classified ads, help lines and more than half of websites are in Greek only. See, “The importance of speaking Greek in Greece.”

There are an estimated 1.2 million non-EU immigrants in Greece. However, less than half of those have been able to secure a permit under existing legislation, even though the majority have been here an average of seven (7) years and qualify for long-term EU-wide permits. The immigration reform of 2007 changed little or nothing, and Greece and France tightened border controls and immigration laws in 2008 as promised. Police sweeps now occur daily and weekly instead of monthly and seasonally.

Schengen VisaEntry – Visas for Greece

To enter the country, you need a visa. The Greek Consulate and Greek Embassy in your homeland issue two types of visas:

Type 1: Schengen:

The first type is a Schengen visa, which is valid for passage and/or entry to countries that have signed the Schengen agreement, and includes but is not limited to Greece. See, “Schengen countries” if you do not know what they are.

a) Sticker-free: Citizens of some non-EU countries enjoy visa-free travel to Schengen, meaning they are not obligated to apply at the Greek Consulate for a visa sticker and can visit the Schengen zone (including Greece) temporarily for up to 90 days total within a 180-day period. Americans, Canadians and Australians all enjoy visa-free/sticker-free travel to Greece. Please see, “Countries that enjoy visa-free travel to Greece” if you want to see if your country is on the list.

* If you are immigrating permanently to Greece or have a job lined up, check with the Consulate if you need a Schengen type D visa. Most do not, but some applicants absolutely do.

b) Sticker: Non-EU citizens from countries not on the visa-free list must submit an application at the Greek Consulate in their homeland for a visa and have a sticker placed inside their passport in order to enter and temporarily visit the Schengen zone. Validity can be as little as a week to 90 days. Please see, “Countries that require a visa to enter Greece.”

When applying at the Greek Consulate/Embassy in your homeland, staff will determine the appropriate type of visa (A, B, C or LTV) and the right number of entries (one, two or multiple) specific to your needs and eligibility.

Type 2: National:

The second type is a national visa, which is good only for Greece and no other country. These types of visas are issued to those seeking to travel, study, conduct business or potentially immigrate only to Greece OR to those who for some reason do not qualify for a Schengen visa.

All must submit an application and have a sticker placed in their passport by the Greek Consulate in their homeland. The type of visa you receive and the length of its validity (up to 90 days) will depend on:
a) your eligibility (background, past overstays/fines/blacklist/deportation, other citizenships, family ties, current employment…); and
b) why you are seeking to visit or stay in Greece (i.e. study, work, retirement via independent means, spouse of EU citizen…), thus giving it a further classification of work visa, tourist visa, stay visa, student visa.

Both types of visas (Schengen and national) depend only on your citizenship and passport. The citizenship and passport of your husband/wife/partner have no bearing on your visa, your passport or your citizenship, even if he/she is a Greek or EU citizen. In some countries, such as the United States, the citizenship of a spouse/fiance(e) is relevant when applying for an immigrant visa for permanent migration, however Greece and the majority of the EU do not have spouse/spousal or fiancé(e) visas. There is no such thing as an ancestry/ancestral visa for Greece. There is no such thing as a residence/residents visa (temporary or permanent) for Greece. There are only national and Schengen visas, as I state above.

There are no visas with validity past 90 days, which means there are no six-month, one-year or five-year visas for Greece. A visa is for entering, visiting up to 90 days and exiting; a permit is for working and staying in a country past the validity of a visa.

Upon entry to Greece at the airport or other border crossings, or even when applying for a visa at the Greek Consulate, you may also be asked to produce proof of sufficient funds to support yourself according to a law passed in December 2007. See, “Non-EU travelers to Greece need 50 euros a day.” Even if you are not technically a traveler, Greek authorities have the legal right to question and request evidence of financial means from any non-EU citizen they suspect will overstay, work illegally, be a burden or is attempting to flee their country to Greece.

Lastly, having a Schengen or national visa means that you were granted the right to enter, visit the country for the time specified and leave. It does not allow you to stay in Greece and it does not give you the right to work at any time. Any work you take without first applying for a work permit is considered illegal, and authorities have the right to assess a fine or deport you if you are caught. A penalty of up to 1,300 euros and five (5) years blacklisting may also apply to anyone staying past the validity of their visa. The EU has also drafted a law to take effect in 2010 to sentence illegal workers up to 18 months in jail before deportation. See, “Overstaying a visa in Greece” for details.

Moving, Living and Working in Greece

In order to stay in Greece beyond the validity of your Schengen or national visa and live/work legally in Greece, you need a permit. Your spouse and his/her citizenship are irrelevant, even if he/she is an EU/Greek citizen; it only depends on what citizenship you possess and, often times, if you are of Greek origin/descent. There is no such thing as a green card for Greece; ‘green card’ is a term used in the United States and does not apply outside its borders.

Bottom line is: If you are a non-EU citizen without dual citizenship with the EU, you need a permit to work in Greece at any time and/or live in Greece past 90 days.

EU passportWays around getting a permit for Greece

Before covering the lengthy and often expensive bureaucratic process of getting a permit for Greece, there are two ways you can get around it:

1) Claim Greek citizenship through an ancestor

Having Greek citizenship would entitle you to live and work not only in Greece, but the entire EU. If you are of Greek origin/descent and have a mother, father or grandfather born in Greece, you can claim Greek citizenship. If you were not born in Greece, do not assume you have Greek citizenship since your parents or grandparents must have staked a claim for you and been issued a citizenship certificate. Being registered in an oikogeneiaki merida is not enough.

If you are a male of Greek origin aged 19-45, be aware that you are subject to mandatory Greek military in whole or in part, regardless if you have Greek citizenship. Choose the appropriate article below.

See:

– “Greek citizenship by claim of Greek origin or ancestry
– “Dual Greek and American citizenship” for Greek-Americans (also has information for other hyphenated Greeks)
– “Mandatory Greek military obligations” for males of Greek origin/descent

If you are a male of Greek descent aged 19-45 with the idea of skipping Greek citizenship and getting a work visa and permit as an “Australian citizen” in order to avoid military duty, it will not work. Why? Because you are still of Greek origin with the right to claim citizenship, and they will reject your permit application. Want to know more? See, “Greek residence/work permits FAQ

2) Claim citizenship through an ancestor born in an EU country

Staking a claim to citizenship through an ancestor born in any of the current member states of the EU, or EFTA countries Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland, would give you the right to live and work in Greece or any EU country without a permit. There are often no residency or language requirements, and applications for repatriation are processed more quickly and usually without a fee.

See, “Acquiring EU citizenship through ancestry.”

If either of these situations apply to you, I encourage you to stop here, use the links I’ve provided and follow the instructions in starting the process to citizenship. This is the easiest, fastest and most pain-free method to living and working in Greece and the entire European Union without restriction.

Greek permit

Introduction to Greek residence and/or work permits

Should the previous section on ways around through Greek or EU citizenship not apply to you, your only legal path to Greece is through a permit. How do you get a permit for Greece?

There are dozens of permits. However, I will only cover the most common ones since the majority of us are not Olympic athletes, politicians, diplomats or famous.

All permits require that you have the appropriate visa to enter Greece, then apply for the permit in Greece within 30 days of arrival. Failure to apply for the proper permit before your visa expires will require a lawyer, bribes, connections or that you exit and re-enter Greece again, which for many is a problem since non-EU citizens can stay only a maximum of 90 days in the Schengen zone in any 180-day period, i.e., if you have already been in Greece (Schengen) for 90 days, you will need to stay out for a full 90 days.

All of these permits apply to non-EU citizens of no Greek origin (descent). Why? Because if you are of Greek origin, you have the option to apply for Greek citizenship as explained above — it is a privilege to which you are entitled whether you want it or not.

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How to get a permit for Greece

1. Be the non-EU spouse or child (under 21) of a Greek/EU citizen

Should you be the current non-EU spouse or dependent child (under 21) of a Greek or EU citizen, you can get a residence/work permit as family members since you are now recognized as having the same status as an EU resident. Options open to you are:

a) Regular residence/work permit for non-EU family members of a Greek national (First filing): If this is your first time residing in Greece and have never held a permit before, this permit also applies to you. If you already possess a permit on your own accord (work, self-employed, business owner) as a single person and you marry a Greek/EU citizen, this permit applies to you.

You need to prove you entered the country legally (stamp in your passport, appropriate visa, etc.), provide a health certificate and attend an interview at the Perifereia where a board will ask questions in Greek and examine whether your marriage and family relationship is legitimate or simply an attempt to get a permit. If you are unemployed, the Greek/EU citizen must show proof of an annual income of at least 8,500 euros, plus 1,700 euros (20%) for a spouse and 1,275 euros (15%) for each dependent; an ekkatharistiko from the eforia (Greek tax office) is normally required as proof.  If approved, the permit is valid for 5 years, good only for Greece (not EU-wide) and has no application fee. Click, Regular residence/work permit for an American or other non-EU family member of a Greek or EU citizen to see all of the requirements.

It used to be that residence/work permits were separate with separate bureaucracy at separate locations; now they have been fused into one permit with one process at one location since most people need both. The work permit is given for free whether you need it or not.

Being the divorced non-EU parent of a half EU child does not entitle you to a permit if you do not already live in Greece. Rights trickle down from parent to child, not the other way around. The only time a divorced non-EU parent can hold a Greek permit is: a) the parent is already living and residing in Greece with a valid permit, AND b) during those years, the child with Greek citizenship grew up, came of age and still lives in Greece AND c) the parent has sufficient financial means or work to stay in Greece.

* If you have/are a male child under the age of 21, be aware that you will be obligated to disclose Greek origin and family relationships in the residence/work permit application, and the “permanent resident abroad” certificate status requires being registered in the oikogeneiaki merida. It may be helpful to read, “Mandatory Greek military obligations.”

b) Permanent residence/work permit for non-EU family members of a Greek or EU citizen (Renewal): If you already held the 5-year permit listed above, you will automatically be renewed for 10 years in a permanent status if you can prove your family relationship is still valid and continuing. It is good ONLY for Greece (not EU-wide), and there is no fee to renew. Click “Permanent residence/work permit for non-EU spouse and children of Greek and EU citizens.”

* Should you change countries, it will help to show your permit from Greece, but you will be expected to apply for a new permit in the new country. Permits are not transferable as they are wholly dependent on whether you have a valid, existing family relationship in the country you live. There are no EU-wide permits for non-EU spouses of Greek/EU citizens since “fake spouses” would marry only for papers and jump countries. This is true not only for Greece, but the entire EU, to prevent fraudulent marriages.

c) Greek citizenship by naturalization for non-EU spouses of Greek citizens: Being married to a Greek citizen does not automatically entitle you to Greek citizenship, a Greek passport or a Greek national ID. See, Greek citizenship through naturalization to see all requirements in detail. Greek citizenship is the first step to a Greek passport and Greek national ID.

* There are no permits for hetero$exual fiance(e)s. There are also no permits for gay/lesbian partners married in another country. This violates an EU directive and Greece has been warned, but it will be years before the European Commission can force Greece to comply. For example, it took 5 years for Greece to implement EU-wide permits that should have been done in 2003.

2. Be the non-EU spouse or child of a non-EU citizen living/working legally in Greece for 2 years

This permit applies when all family members are non-EU citizens and is known as a Family Reunification permit. Should you be a non-EU spouse/child of a non-EU citizen who has already been living and working legally in Greece for 2 years with the proper permit, you can be brought over and reunified if (s)he can show an annual income of at least 8,500 euros, plus 1,700 euros (20%) for a spouse and 1,275 euros (15%) for each dependent. You must prove you legally entered Greece with a Schengen or national visa, and apply for the permit before that visa expires. To see a story of (mistakenly) getting this permit, see “Thanks to Greece, I’ve been reunified with myself.”

* There are no fiancé(e) permits or permits for gay/lesbian partners married in another country.
* There is no such thing as a residence visa or family reunification visa for Greece, only the appropriate Schengen or national visas described above.

3. Be an investor

Non-EU citizens wishing to start a company with employees are required to have:

– 300,000 euros in capital,
– a business plan in Greek approved by the Interior Ministry
– at least 10 jobs of which 30 percent must be given to Greek citizens.

The permit is good for three (3) years. Partnering with a Greek/EU citizen does not absolve you from these rules. See “How to start a business in Greece” for details.

With such strict rules, many are opting for other countries. See, “Who really steals jobs from Greeks?” In 2008, foreign investors withdrew 71 million euros from the stock market; and  in 2007, less than 1.5 billion dollars was invested in Greece and 3.0 billion dollars left Greece. See, “Greece: Missing the investment train.”

4. Be a self-employed entrepreneur

Non-EU entrepreneurs wishing to be in business for themselves (self-employed) must have already held a residence permit in Greece for one year before: a) submitting a formal plan in Greek that proves your business will contribute to the Greek economy and b) depositing 60,000 euros in a bank account as evidence of solvency. If you manage to jump those hurdles, you will be required to prove an annual investment of 60,000 euros at each renewal. Pairing with a Greek/EU citizen does not absolve you from these rules. See, “How to start a business in Greece” for more details.

5. Retire/live in Greece supported by independent means

Non-EU citizens, unrelated to Greek/EU citizens and of no Greek origin themselves, who would like to retire or otherwise live in Greece on funds from outside Greece are welcome to apply for a special entry visa (Type ‘D’ Schengen) at the Greek Consulate in their homeland, then get a residence permit upon arrival in Greece if they can show a minimum of 2,000 euros/month. It is not a work permit and good for one year. See, “How to apply for a residence permit for Greece based on independent means” for details and the personal stories of those who have done it or been victims of misinformation.

6. Be a student at a university in Greece

If you are accepted to a semester abroad or a full degree program at a university in Greece, you can apply for a visa to study. Should you be here for more than a semester abroad (more than 90 days), you would be able to apply for a permit that allows you to work part-time.

However, when your course of study is finished, this permit cannot be converted to a regular residence/work permit if you find an employer to hire you full time. Why? Because your original visa and permit were based on a course of study, not work. For the employer to hire you, they would be required to go through the process described in the next option.

7. Find an employer to sponsor your work visa and permit for Greece

It is not impossible. But this option is amongst the most difficult and expensive, as it involves several steps, government approval, a significant monetary deposit (by you or your potential employer) and a period of waiting in your homeland.

To illustrate how rarely unmarried Americans of no Greek origin are hired and approved to work in Greece, there are less than 2,200 existing work permits at this time, which includes non-employees (investors, self-employed, visiting consultants and students) not just employees — I have one of them, and three readers who checked in on this site are others (see Phillip, in ‘Comments’ attached to this post). All of these permits are renewals, meaning we have all held them for years. There were no new permits issued to Americans in 2007, and there were no stats published for Canadians and Australians.

If you think 2,200 is a lot, note that there are 1 million non-EU citizens total in Greece, of which only 500,000 have permits.

Assuming you like those odds, how do you get sponsorship from an employer in Greece for a work visa?

a) Find an employer in Greece willing to hire you while still in your homeland

This is the most improbable situation unless you have connections or otherwise know someone in advance, as few (if any) would hire a stranger, put up a deposit and muck through months of bureaucracy without ever having met or interviewed a potential employee.

If you have a friend, potential spouse or relative willing to hire you, new laws passed in February 2008 require private businesses to show an annual profit of 24,000 euros and companies an annual profit of 60,000 euros before hiring non-EU citizens. This means it must be an established business with income statements to show as evidence. With widespread tax dodging, there are few willing to go this route.

* There is no such thing as an “open work visa” for Greece, nor does Greece have a migrants work program. Your work visa must be sponsored by a specific employer for a specific position that cannot be otherwise filled with an Greek or other EU citizen.

b) Come to Greece on a Schengen or national (tourist) visa, find an employer to sponsor your work visa and permit, then go home to wait

Once you and your potential employer have met, interviewed and found a good fit, you are required to go home. Why? Because in order to be issued a work permit, you need a work visa (not a tourist visa). And in order to be issued a work visa, you must go home to wait for the potential employer to complete the paperwork, submit it to OAED (the Manpower Agency overseeing employment in Greece), prove that there is not a single Greek or other EU citizen who can do this job, justify why you should be hired instead, then put up a deposit of several months salary (or ask you to do it).

When/if it is approved by OAED, the official work invitation letter and work contract will be sent from Greece to the Greek Consulate in your homeland. The Greek Consulate will invite you to interview on their premises, and hopefully the visa will be approved and issued. How long does it take from start to end? Up to a year.

Once the work visa has been issued through the Greek Consulate in your homeland, you will enter Greece and get an original work contract from your employer, which you will then use to apply for an AFM (tax number), IKA and the residence/work permit. All of this is your responsibility and must be done in person within 30 days. Should you fail to complete the paperwork before your visa expires, you will be required to leave Greece and start again, thus risking loss of your deposit (if you were asked to make one) and your job.

If you come to Greece on a Schengen/national tourist visa, are offered a job and your employer tells you (s)he can get your visa and permit while you’re in the country without leaving, (s)he is ignorant and/or a liar. This is not how it works. More likely, (s)he is trying to fool you into working illegally, so (s)he can get cheap labor and avoid paying IKA (insurance contributions required by law) and taxes, and then you’ll overstay your visa and incur a fine up to 1,300 euros and possible blacklisting in the Schengen zone for 5 years. See the stories of people in trouble who were uninformed, lied to and didn’t listen to me in, “Overstaying a visa in Greece.”

c) Seasonal work through the Embassy/Consulate

Another way is to find seasonal or regular non-embassy jobs — IT, teaching, unskilled labor positions — posted by the Greek Consulate in your homeland. Less than a dozen consulates participate in this program (mostly in eastern Europe) in conjunction with OAED, although it is supposed to be widespread. The good news is these jobs are pre-approved and ready to go; the bad news is all jobs are listed in Greek, wages are usually low, and fewer employers are participating in the program because the government is slow (or refuses) to return their deposits. America, Canada and Australia are NOT and never have been participants, as many of the jobs are of the dirty, difficult and dangerous type. See, “The jobs Greeks won’t take.”

If you’ve thought about working for the American Embassy in Greece or any embassy/consulate in Greece, I encourage you to read, “Getting a job at an American Embassy.”

d) Be a high-ranking executive or board member at a company in your homeland with a branch in Greece, and have them transfer you

Most of these transfers are approved, especially if you are from a big company like Coca-Cola that contributes to the economy, and/or earn a large salary that will continue to be paid from your homeland and not burden Greece. Typically, an employee’s non-EU family members will be allowed to accompany him/her. See, “Greek work permit for high-ranking executives from abroad.”

* If after 5 years you are still a non-EU citizen of no Greek origin not married to a Greek/EU citizen, and have held a residence/work permit in Greece for a full 5 years, you would be eligible for a long-term permanent EU-wide residence/work permit on par with being an EU citizen no matter what your profession, as long as you meet a number of other requirements. Click Non-EU citizens seeking a long-term EU-wide residence/work permit to see all the requirements. More than 250,000 people qualify for this status, but to illustrate how difficult it is, Greece refused to issue these permits until late 2007 (even though the directive was passed in 2003) and only one person held this permit as of December 2007 and eight people total by April 2008.

Illegal Work in Greece

Illegal work is a widespread reality, but exact figures cannot be quoted because workers often stay quiet to avoid being fired, and employers stay quiet to avoid being fined and jailed. This code of silence leads to other abuses, i.e., no insurance, poor pay, extra hours without compensation, no vacation, no bonuses at Christmas, Easter or summer.

You also risk being fired once a qualified candidate with legal standing can replace you or your employer gets scared, and you will not be entitled to collect unemployment or lodge a formal complaint at the labor union. But none of this may matter to someone seeking experience or a basic means to just be in Greece.

In recent years, Greek authorities have raised fines and penalties assessed to employers using illegal workers, and police are more stringent and frequent in their immigration checks. Illegal workers are hired less frequently and fired more often, as a result.

The EU has also drafted a law to take effect in 2010 that can sentence illegal workers up to 18 months in jail before deportation, plus the EU border-monitoring agency Frontex will open its first European regional office in Athens, Greece by October 2010 as a show of commitment to local authorities.

EU blue card

Permit options now closed

1. Non-EU street vendors have been denied the right to start and renew their licenses

Despite the fact it is discrimination, this new law has not been overturned. You can file a complaint with SOLVIT, a free service offered by the European Union to handle directives violated by Greece.

2. Legalization drive (amnesty or regularization) for illegal workers already in Greece has ended

In the past, Greece has reluctantly acquiesced to legalizing undocumented illegal workers from non-EU countries who are already in the country and issuing them permits. However, most drives of this sort are announced without established parameters or have requirements that are impossible and/or expensive for many to fulfill, usually involving ensima (insurance stamps costing thousands of euros) and legal entry dates from years ago (i.e., before December 2004). The last legalization drive ended October 31, 2007, and there are no plans for any in the future. To get a sense of past requirements, see “Residence/work permit for undocumented workers in Greece.”

3. EU Blue Card program

The European Commission proposed in October 2007 a “blue card” program, resembling the USA’s green card program, and sent a draft to all 27 member states for input and approval. Many member states immediately expressed disapproval and the intent to opt out, and there is a clause in the legislation that allows each EU member state to set or ban quotas, which many are expected to do under current economic conditions.

In May 25, 2009, legislation for the EU Blue Card directive 2009/50/EC was finalized and the program will be mandatory mid-2011 when the most EU countries are expected to be out of recession.

However, Greece is notoriously slow — sometimes taking up to five (5) years or more — and must be forced to implement directives by the European High Court. Further, the International Monetary Fund expects Greece to be in recession well after 2012, and it is unlikely that Greece will adopt this program.

When/if Greece recognizes and allows people to apply to the Blue Card Program, I will write an article and link it here.

About EU residence/work permits

Every EU member state has different rules and regulations in place for non-EU citizens wishing to live and work in their country. Many are not as stringent as Greece, while others more so.

For those who do not understand the nature of a residence/work permit, it is permission to stay in a country beyond a visa’s validity, a document or sticker given to someone who fulfilled requirements and legally lives and/or works under the laws and regulations of the country that issued it. If you move out of that country, you become a resident and worker of whatever country is your new home and must secure another residence/work permit under its laws and regulations. It is not a transferable document.

If you are an unmarried non-EU citizen with the coveted long-term permanent EU-wide residence/work permit, this IS transferable and you may live and work freely throughout the EU, though it is advised that you first check with the “new” country before you move. You may need to register or convert it upon arrival, but it cannot be revoked except under certain extenuating circumstances.

The EU is a union of 27 countries and some countries participate in the single currency, but the European continent has not fused into one country and each of the 27 member states retains its distinct laws, regulations, language and traditions, much like New York and California retain their distinct laws, regulations, accents and lifestyles even though they are both in the USA and use the dollar.

Important note

I highly encourage readers to view ‘Comments’ on this post and other posts that were mentioned above in this article, as they contain answers to questions and stories from people who were kind enough to share their experience.

It was necessary to close the possibility of discussion because too many readers were being lazy and asking questions that were already answered in this post and/or refused to use the ‘Search’ and ‘Categories’ options in the second column as per my ‘Questions’ policy.

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36 Comments

  Tina wrote @ April 25th, 2007 at 23:36

This article just killed my dreams of living in Greece…well, it’s good information though, very detailed and realistic.

Kat Reply:

Tina, wait! I don’t want to be your dream smasher. There are ways for Americans and other non-EU citizens to live and work in Greece, as I said.

Here are a few ways:

1) You could come as a tourist and take illegal work without insurance; some people do this just for the experience of doing it and gain the boss’ good graces, then either go home or try very hard to find an employer willing to give you a work visa, go home and re-enter on the visa;

2) If you have been working for many years for an American company with a branch in Greece, perhaps they could transfer you if you can speak the language or have worked here before — your salary may decrease to reflect Greek standards, but at least you’ll be here;

3) Some employers hire out of desperation, and this could work to your advantage;

4) Some people come here, fall unexpectedly in love with someone Greek or European, get married and their legal issues are solved that way. They still need to go home and re-enter, but it all works out;

5) Some simply have connections or catch a lucky break.

All in all, a dream come true is not going to come to you, you have to go after it.

If you go after your dream, these are my suggestions:

1) Pay off your credit cards, but don’t cancel them in case you need them in an emergency,
2) defer student loans if you have them (you are not absolved from paying them),
3) save some money,
4) keep a presence back home with mail going to a trusted friend or relative,
5) be very open to taking work you wouldn’t normally do,
6) live your dream while you’re still young enough to recover and advance your life goals (travel, career, family, purchase a home, etc.) if living here doesn’t work out.

I’d like to also point out that there are many beautiful countries in this world outside the EU. This is not the only place to live and work.

I wrote the article and created this website because I want people to know the law, the bureaucracy involved and how working conditions are different. Essentially, I want people to have all of the information necessary to make informed choices and not be surprised. Sometimes surprises are good, sometimes not.

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  Nikos wrote @ August 1st, 2007 at 14:41

Congrats- by far, the best source for problem solving, enjoying, counseling, advising Americans in Greece. Keep up the good work!

  Catherine wrote @ August 15th, 2007 at 23:18

You’re site is amazing and very informative! Great job!!

  Jessica wrote @ August 29th, 2007 at 08:24

Just found your website & enjoyed several posts including this live/work post. Thanks for all the info! Could I find wiggle room in the rules as an artist (possibly selling thru a gallery) supplemented by working remotely for a US company as an accountant? Would that scenario make me an entrepeneur? What kind of visa would that combo require? Thanks for all you help — I’m off to continue surfing your site!

Kat Reply:

Getting into a gallery requires some very inside connections, and then you compete with cheaper Eastern European artists who are willing to take less than you likely would.

Some people who have deals with a gallery take cash under the table, thereby skirting the need to get a self-employed status and cutting receipts. This would entail taking 20 percent of wholesale, give or take.

(The two previous statements are based on experience, not rumors. I have an artist friend who does this with connections he’s had for 15 years.)

I’m not sure why you’re mentioning a visa. Visas are for entering, visiting and exiting, not staying in Greece. Permits are for staying in Greece, as I already explained above.

A residence permit is required of non-EU citizens for stays beyond the visa’s validity period (i.e. beyond 90 days if it’s a Schengen tourist visa used by an American). There are dozens of different residence and work permits; therefore, I have no way of knowing which one you qualify for; I don’t represent the Greek government. But most are based on established work in the country, retirement with independent means, being an entrepreneur, consultant or student, residence supported with funds from outside Greece, being the spouse/child of an EU or Greek citizen. Options are listed above, and you can look under the “Residence-Work Permit” category for examples. My site is a starting point, therefore I encourage people to consult Greek authorities for advice pertaining specifically to their situation.

Note to readers: As per the “Comments, Questions and Contacting Me” policy, please use the ‘Search’ or ‘Categories’ BEFORE asking a question. I invested hundreds of hours and the trouble to write up a lot of useful information for everyone, the least you can do is take a look first. If I don’t publish your question or answer you via e-mail, it means the answer is already on this site. Thank you!

  Christopher wrote @ October 9th, 2007 at 00:05

Hi Kat! You’re site has been so uber-useful, I can’t thank you enough. Just today I was offered a salaried position with IKA, paid vacation and bonuses, the whole shebang!!! Anyway, the company has never had any “fresh off the boat” (so to speak) Americans before – in other words, they’ve had Americans work before, but they all either had Greek citizenship or were married to Greek nationals – so the company is unsure about the exact process regarding the residence/work permit.

A preliminary document the company gave me today – all in Greek, of course :( – says I have to go get an AFM. I read about the AFM/Residence Permit catch-22…this frightens me. Anyway, I have to give it a shot, but I don’t know where I need to go to attempt to get the AFM (the document says “at the DOU of your area”) – is there a website where I can find the location of the office I need? I live in Tauros/Kallithea area, so I figure there’s one nearby, but beats me where it is or how to find it. Thanks a billion!

Oct 17
Hi Kat! So hurray for me, I ran into my first brick wall here in Greece. So, as I guessed would happen after reading your posts, my local Eforia said to get an AFM I first have to get a residency/work permit from my Dimos. So I went to my Dimos (Tavros), and they said to get a residency/work permit, I have to leave the country, get a work visa, and then re-enter. They won’t allow me to apply for any residency permit w/o first seeing a Greek visa in my passport.

So am I basically screwed? Or should I try going to a different Eforia and see if I have more luck (although I’m sure I’d have to provide an address and they’d see I don’t live in their area, so I’d figure I’d just be told to go back to the Eforia in my area)? I know you said people caught in the AFM-Residency permit catch-22 have had to bribe their way out….

Kat Reply:

The unfortunate part is getting an AFM and residence permit based on work requires that you exit the country and enter again with a work visa for Greece secured for you by the employer. This requires quite a bit of bureaucracy and a significant deposit on the part of the employer, and most do not want to bother when they can hire an EU or Greek citizen very easily.

  Marie wrote @ October 18th, 2007 at 04:44

Love the site. You have truly provided an amazing resource on all topics imaginable. Quick question for you…I am American, however my parents were born in Greece. I recently was added to my mom’s family list (oikogeniakh merida) at the Mayor’s office in the town she was born in. Now, I am not sure what comes next. Does this give me any sort of authorization to work in Greece or do I need to go through the work permit paperwork? Your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated!

Kat Reply:

Hi there! Simply being registered in an oikogeneiaki merida doesn’t grant you the right to work or live in Greece if you yourself are not a Greek citizen. Therefore, as the article says, you need to have or get Greek citizenship since you have that option as a person of Greek origin; they will not allow you to get a permit as an American or other non-EU citizen. There are plenty of articles about those two subjects on this site in categories called “Residence-work permits” and “Greek citizenship,” and links were already provided above in this article.

Alternatively, you could ask your parents or call the Greek Consulate nearest your home to advise you.

  Maria wrote @ October 23rd, 2007 at 12:16

This website is very cool. I am glad I found it. I am going through the same problems finding a job, trying to make friends, I just moved back after being gone for 15 years. I love it here but its really hard …I am running low on cash so my only option is to go back to the USA and come back again and give it another shot ….

  Tania wrote @ October 25th, 2007 at 19:53

I have been following very closely with your site. I am a non-EU and I am in the situation in which I did manage to find an employer who is willing to sponsor my work permit/residence. I have also called the Greek Embassy in my residence country and they told me that the hiring company needs to provide a salaried/work contract in order for me to apply for a National Visa which serves as a long term visa. Upon obtaining the visa, and arriving in the country, the hiring company has to file for an IKA number and residence/work permit. My question is:

1. Once I am in the country with the National Visa , while my employer file for the IKA number and permit, am I allow to start work? And how long normally does the process take to obtain an IKA number and a permit.

2. Followed by that, there is also a need for an AFM number, which I understand that the employer will take care of it. How does this process take place?

Thank you for your help and I will continue to look through your site for more information.

Kat Reply:

The possible options/processes that apply to you are already described in this post.

A “national visa” is for third country nationals for transit between a non-Schengen to a Schengen country within 5 days; there is no such thing as a “long term visa.” There is, however, a type ‘D’ visa that is issued to people with intention to immigrate and gives the bearer the right to apply for a permit upon arrival in Greece. Visas are for entering/exiting; permits are for staying in the country.

Most employers do not apply for permits, IKA and AFMs for workers because identification and signatures require an individual to appear in person. The employer provides the work contract and letter, and the rest of it is up to you (as I say in the post); other commentators confirm what I say. The processes of getting an AFM and IKA are described in detail in other articles on this website.

To answer your question, it only took me 15 minutes to get an AFM, but people will tell you it varies widely because some tax offices want to see the residence/work permit before issuing one, and some municipalities want you to show your AFM before giving you a permit (Catch 22). It only took me a half hour to get IKA, but it varies widely.

It takes anywhere from 90 days to a year to get the permit as I mention in other posts, but the bebaiosi (blue receipt/certificate with photo) they give you for completing your file suffices to start work. Everything must be in place before you start work. You could technically work before that, but if the employer goes back on his word or you fail to finish your AFM/IKA/permit file, the employer is not obligated to pay you and you’ll have no right to complain or stake a claim…unless you find a kind-hearted person.

Please use the ’search’ and ‘categories’ options as I request in my “Comments, Questions and Contacting Me” section.

Good luck!

  Lia wrote @ November 30th, 2007 at 12:59

Thanks for a fantastic resource for all aspects of Greek life!

Lia.

  Fadi wrote @ December 4th, 2007 at 16:11

Very informative site but I need to ask a question please

I am currently in Greece with student visa I applied to my resident permit and I have currently the blue paper, I found a job here with a professional company and they are welling to hire me, I applied for TAX number and I have it, the company gave me a paper that they want to hire me and I applied for the work permit a month ago. I have an official paper saying the I applied for the work permit but my employer don’t want to take any risk and hire me, he want to have the real work permit which according to the municipality will take long time, I am so frustrated and don’t know what to do or how to make things go faster. I appreciate any hint you can give me.

Kat Reply:

Fadi, I don’t make a habit of contacting readers by phone as this is a site that I run in my free time to help people and generates no income, so I removed your phone number to protect your privacy.

There a few things that don’t make sense in your inquiry, but I’ll get to that in a second.

First, a student visa entitles you to a residence permit, and that residence permit entitles you to get an AFM. That’s true. As a student, you are entitled to work part-time in Greece, but not full-time and not without IKA.

Second, according to Greek law and municipality documentation, a resident permit secured by a student visa cannot be converted to a work permit with a company. Why? Because your visa was a student visa, not a work visa. I’ll give you an example: I have a non-EU friend who attended university here in Greece for 4 years with a student visa, which allowed him a resident permit and to work. When he graduated, he found a stable job with a big well-known bank. The bank used their connections to try and convert his student residence permit into a regular work permit, could not do it, and he is back in his homeland without possibility to come back until the bank proves that the position cannot be filled by a Greek person. When they prove it, they can issue him a work visa to invite him back to Greece, then give him a work permit. It’s been one year and nothing happened. If you and the company are indeed trying to convert a student residence permit to a regular work permit, it’ll be denied at some point.

Third, you state that you already applied for the work permit and have an official paper (bebaiosi; blue paper with photo). This is where it becomes unclear. If you already applied for a work permit a month ago, you’re basically telling me that your employer has already given you a work contract and IKA, and therefore has already hired you since the official paper (bebaiosi for the work permit) is enough to start working and must be done within 8 days of hiring, which means you should already be working.

So either: 1) You didn’t get a work contact and IKA, and therefore didn’t apply for a work permit, which means he never hired you; or 2) your boss did give you those things (which means he already hired you), you applied for the work permit, have the bebaiosi (blue paper for work permit) and now the employer is telling you he wants to fire you. Also note that if you do not get IKA with your work contract, the municipality will not give you a work permit; you must have both.

What it sounds like to me is you never got a work contract and IKA, and you only have a residence permit based on being a student, and you’re working illegally.

No matter what the case, I can tell you very certainly that there is absolutely nothing you can do to make anything go faster in Greece unless you have connections to high authorities that can make calls on your behalf. The process can take anywhere from a few months to after the permit expires.

  Phillip wrote @ January 8th, 2008 at 22:39

Hi, thanks for all your information. This has got to be one of the best resources I’ve seen on this subject of working in Greece.

Well, my comment/question is…I’m wondering if the law on work permits for non-EU citizens changed recently, perhaps in 2006, to what it is now as you have listed on your web site.

Here’s why I ask…I’m an American, no family connections to Greeks, and currently living in Greece, on a work permit that I secured through a book publisher, which was applied for in Dec 2005, approved by OAED in Feb 2006 and issued in June 2006. Originally, I came to Athens in April 2005 on a tourist visa, worked under the table with this publisher for a few months, during which time they helped me extend my tourist visa (a 6-month extension), and they agreed to sponsor me. When we decided to file for the work permit, in Dec 2005, I was told (and was already under the impression from previous information I had read) that I had to leave the country, return the San Francisco (where I’m from), and wait until the process was finished. I was to be issued a work visa at the Greek consulate’s office in SF (which I was) that would allow me to re-enter Greece as a worker (as I did), and then get the residence permit, AFM, IKA, etc. (which I have all of those now).

I am really curious if the law did in fact change, because to tell you the truth, I would have much rather stayed in Greece back then in 2005 and never have gone back, but I had to, because it was the law. At least I thought so. Of course, knowing otherwise won’t take back those 9 miserable months I had to wait in the states for my work permit to be approved in Greece, but I’d still like to know!

Cheers,
Phillip

Kat Reply:

P – Finally, someone who pays attention, has something to contribute and didn’t ask a redundant question!!! Hello and welcome! Thank you for sharing your story, in fact I think it helps for people to see the process and waiting time required of an American (non-EU) citizen being issued a Greek work visa and doing things the right way.

There was a delay in answering your question not only because of technical reasons and my own time constraints, but also because I wanted to research the law more thoroughly.

1) The law did not change: The law as written requires someone to be issued a work visa for Greece while still in their homeland. However, as you illustrated, it is difficult to find an employer willing to do this unless you come here and interview for the position. I know few employers in Greece who would choose to hire a non-EU citizen without hesitation, then go through the trouble of mucking through the bureaucracy to bring them over without ever meeting them.

2) If you were here before January 2005: There was a legalization process for undocumented workers (which I allude to in the article, and contains a link to a more detailed post) that non-EU immigrants could have gone through to get a permit without going back to the homeland and being issued a work visa if all these were true:
a) Proof they were here by December 31, 2004;
b) entered the country legally, but for some reason didn’t qualify or get a permit;
c) had gainful employment;
d) had insurance or could purchase it.
This legalization deadline was extended to October 2007 and the IKA ensima requirement lowered, but the December 31, 2004 cutoff was never changed to include arrivals after that date.

3) Loopholes: There are a number of loopholes or lucky breaks someone could catch made possible by municipal employees who overlooked or were not informed about certain requirements, which allowed some non-EU citizens to apply for a permit without having to return to the homeland and be issued a work visa.
a) If an applicant had everything but the work visa, the application was submitted anyway and the permit was issued;
b) If a municipal employee made an error in accepting or submitting paperwork (which is common at smaller municipalities, where employees don’t know anything about visa waivers or Schengen visas for Americans), higher authorities invited you by letter to apply for a permit anyway, as long as you had everything but the work visa;
c) Perhaps a previous presence in Greece, either an expired resident permit, old green card or any type of application that wasn’t processed fully could get you another bid at a permit;
d) Connections are used or a favor is called in by an employer

I know two non-EU citizens of no Greek origin, who secured permits as recently as 2007 without having a work visa or a previous presence in Greece. As I did not accompany them when doing the paperwork and they are not a long-time friends, I cannot speak intelligently or verify what took place to get it done; it’s very possible they are liars and/or braggarts. I secured my original permit many years ago without a work visa, without connections and without going through the legalization drive.

4) More enforcement: This is the main thing that has changed. While other countries reap the financial benefits of allowing well-to-do foreigners to reside or work in their country with or without permits, Greece has become more rigid and stepped up enforcement of the law, while the law gets more strict and less transparent (i.e., changes are never announced) and fines/penalties get stiffer for employers hiring illegals and/or mistreating workers. There are more immigration checks at workplaces where foreigners are typically hired (English language schools, bars, tavernas, hotels/hostels, etc.), and municipalities are less tolerant or more informed (not always, as mentioned above) when taking permit applications.

Although you waited 9 months for the process to run its course, I still think it’s an accomplishment for which you should be grateful and take pride because I can count at least 1,000 people who tried and never made it. Hundreds more are illegal workers here with no alternative to getting a Greek residence/work permit.

I hope that clears things up a bit. Cheers.

P.S. Are you saying this is not the best resource, but merely just “one of them?” ;)

  Damian wrote @ February 26th, 2008 at 21:23

Sorry if this is a bit redundant, but referring back to Phillip’s post of January 8 and your response, now I’m more confused than before!

I’m an American (no Greek origin) married to a Greek citizen, and “in the process” (for the last year now) of relocating to Greece. My wife and son have been here for over a year (my wife having returned from the US as a returning Greek ex-patriate) and I have been going back and forth as a tourist, winding down various affairs in the US and priming the pump to start my new life here in Greece, including looking for a job. I’ve recently accepted a job offer by a Greek bank to work as a consultant for them, and I’ve now got to apply for my residence/work permit (by the way, I’d really love to see your article on that subject, but it’s no longer available on the site – would you consider allowing me access to it? It would be for my own personal use). In any case, one thing is certain: in my many discussions – both in person and on the phone – with the Greek consulate in NY, I have been told over and over again that I must apply for my residence/work permit IN GREECE, and that I will not need to return to the US and get it from them.

Is this a different procedure because I am the spouse of a Greek citizen, or is this just the consulate not knowing what they are talking about (or both?…hey, this is Greece, anything is possible).

This is really topical for me, as I’m about to go to our lawyer here to get him to start the application process on my behalf, and I really don’t want to go through a lengthy exercise only to be told in the end that I have to go back to the US and do it all over again from there. I’d really appreciate your insights into this. By the way, in case it matters, I already have an AFM here (since I bought some land here some years ago), which used to be a non-resident AFM but was converted to a normal resident AFM a few months ago – even without my having a resident visa. Go figure.

Regards,
Damian

Kat Reply:

Hi Damian, you and Philip are different cases, so don’t confuse your situation with his. As stated in my article, you apply for your residence/work permit in Greece before your visa expires as the spouse (family member) of a Greek citizen. I regret that I cannot show preferential treatment to anyone (it’s all or nothing when it comes to access), but it is quite easy and requires the fewest papers. A lawyer is quite unnecessary, however I suppose that’s a personal choice.

Phillip is American, of no Greek origin and not married to a Greek citizen (he says this in his comment). He came here on a tourist visa, found a job, exited GR and came back on a work visa and got his permit, which is the correct way to do it in his case.

There’s no such thing as a resident visa.

Mucho thanks for the nice words and recognition on your previous comment. :)

  Shari wrote @ March 1st, 2008 at 01:52

I’m really thrilled I “stumbled” across your site. It’s the best source of factual information I found on Non-EU persons trying to stay in Greece. I’m in a serious relationship with a Greek man and we’ve discussed this issue often. I have read and re-read your information on Naturalization: Marrying a Greek and the resulting years of waiting. In my case it would be 10years – from the date we married. Now, does this mean that during those 10 years, I need to return to the US every 3 months, so I do not over-stay my tourist status? Also, do I actually have to come back to the US or can I just go outside of the EU to another country? We would be grateful if you could clarify this finer point. Thanks a million and your site is going to be my “first go-to” for information on Greece. Thank you.

Kat Reply:

You didn’t read the article on Greek citizenship by naturalization correctly. It’s 10 of the last 12 years of residence; therefore it’s 12 years before you can apply.

Your question about visas and exiting every three months has already been answered with the article. There’s nothing to clarify.

If you are not already married, you must marry within 30 days of arriving in Greece then apply for a Greek residence permit based on being the spouse of a Greek citizen. He must meet insurance, income and residence requirements. It’s not automatic.

  Peter wrote @ August 31st, 2008 at 21:06

For someone that is considering moving to Greece in the near future, I have to tell you that your site is the most amazing and informative I have found on-line. It has anything and everything someone needs to be aware of and honestly, having gone through just about every category you have posted, one has to wonder if moving to Greece is worth it?? Obviously there is so much red tape one has to go through for just about anything, that it just amazes me that Greeks put up with it. Reading all these stories, really makes one thankful that they live in the U.S.

I am not sure if you are still in Greece and or have moved back to the states.

Maybe, I won’t move?? Although, I have a very close friend that I want to be with and having them move here is just about totally impossible without being illegal and not having the ability to work. I would be highly interested to know what your plans are for your husband when you move back to the states. As you probably know, we are experiencing an economic downfall and prices for just about everything increase just about everyday. I’m sure it’s still cheaper than living in Greece, but without being totally intrusive I was wondering what your plan of attack was??

I looked everywhere for your e-mail address, but either I am blind and or it’s just not posted on your site. I just wanted to end this with saying thanks for having created this site to assist those that are contemplating a move to Greece!!

Peter

Kat Reply:

P – Hello, welcome and thank you for your kind words. I didn’t answer right away because I’d hoped that you might find the answers to your questions by reading other posts and comments, but it sounds like you didn’t.

Nowhere on this site have I stated that I’m moving back to the USA, so I’m not sure why you think this; my belief is that people make assumptions based on my nationality and forget that I earned the right to live/work in the EU. I suppose many Americans go back because they have family or somewhere to stay; I do not. My family is dead, there is no family home and I’ve been gone for 11 years so my career contacts are irrelevant. Returning as an American with a non-American fiance also means a large burden on me, which you can read about on the USCIS website.

I maintain a certain level of privacy because I value it and this site is only in small part about me. Its mission was and still is to make Greek bureaucracy more transparent for others and relay stories not covered in English and/or with a different perspective as a career-minded, single non-EU woman in Greece. If I tell my entire story about moving, living, working and leaving Greece, it will not be on this site and it will be in my own time.

The economic downfall is not confined to the USA, as you know; it’s everywhere. If you look at the Cost of Living Index, Greece’s cost of living is still rising even as notoriously expensive countries such as the UK, Switzerland and Sweden go down. It is still much cheaper to live in America than Greece, not just because of the strength of the euro, but also because of corruption, price gouging, consumer spending being fueled by loans and credit (without limits), cartels, monopolies, a collapsing SS system and a decrease in foreign investors, tourism and trading in Greece. However, even with all of these factors, people do still move here for their own reasons, see “Should I move to Greece?

If you look under “Comments, Questions and Contacting Me,” you’ll see the reasons I do not list my e-mail address and why I do not start a forum.

  Mady wrote @ September 7th, 2009 at 12:26

I am an non-EU citizen married to Greek Citizen. Things arent going well for us due to personal differences. I am not sure, but I think we both are mutually planning for a divorce. She has her family lawyer who will be taking care of things.

To be honest, things have been pretty easy for me in Greece because of her regarding all bureaucracy issues. From our marriage, to my resident permit to getting IKA, AFM, etc. I can hardly speak greek. And as you know, without knowing greek, it’s impossible to get any of these issues done.

My problem is i am thinking about my situation after divorce. I read many articles in your site, which definitely gave me a clear picture on what are the issues for non-EU citizen. Honestly speaking i am scared. And thinking should i continue my stay in Greece or leave?

First thing is for sure i need to learn greek, if i want to apply for any sort of Visa or permit for my stay here. I dont want a work permit sponsored by my employer in any case, i just dont want to restrict myself to that company. I just need your advice what are my chances of getting a work permit which will entitle me for further stay. I am a software engineer, i am a regular tax payer. That’s all about me.

I would like to thank you sincerely for helping so many people around in greece and outside greece.

Kat Reply:

If your marriage lasted three years, you can keep your permit after the divorce. If this doesn’t apply to your situation, the only way you can keep your permit is by applying for one through your employer unless you:
a) open a business or self-employed status, see “How to start a business in Greece“;
or
b) have income of at least 2,000 euros coming from outside Greece, see “How to get a residence permit via independent means.”

Getting a permit through your employer does not mean you are tied to that one company forever. You can leave after the first year is over. See “FAQ: Greek permits.”

Learning Greek is a process and a commitment. Until then, you can enlist kindhearted people/friends to help you or hire a lawyer to handle your affairs. It’s not impossible.

  Mari wrote @ September 19th, 2009 at 08:14

I got married in Greece 2 years ago and after so long waiting for my husband’s residence visa in america, our relationship cooled down completely. He came to America and did not like it, so he went back to Greece. Can I apply for my Greek residence by myself ? I still love the country and want to move there. I still married.

Kat Reply:

You didn’t provide enough information to give you a proper answer…in any case.

Being married to a Greek husband who abandoned the marriage does not qualify you to move, live and work in Greece. Yes, you are technically still married but that’s only because no one has filed for divorce (as far as you know). If you try to apply for a permit as the spouse of a Greek citizen, they will ask for copies of HIS Greek ID card, HIS tax statement (which your name should be on), proof that you are on HIS insurance policy, plus a certificate from HIS depository verifying “family situation.” If he is willing to do this for you and you both attend/pass the interview with the immigration panel, then I suppose you can get the permit…but it isn’t right, and you may be caught.

The only way you could qualify for a permit by yourself is if you were married for 3 years and were residing that whole time in Greece, which you were not. You also do not qualify for Greek citizenship, again, because you do not live/work here, speak the language, etc.; it takes much more than being married to qualify.

If you are an EU citizen or can claim EU citizenship through an ancestor, you can move to Greece. If you are a non-EU citizen, the only way you can come here is by qualifying for a permit via the methods listed above in the article.

  Clinton wrote @ September 20th, 2009 at 22:20

I love your website! Thanks for the hard work.

You state “Bulgarian citizens can live/work in Greece without a permit as of January 1, 2009.” I am currently a resident (not citizen) of Bulgaria and am interested in living/working in Greece. Does this statement apply to someone in my situation? I’d appreciate any information you can provide, especially reference to the code/law involved if in fact I would fall under this provision.

Thanks for you time! I hope to hear from you soon.

Kat Reply:

No. As you said in your comment, there is a difference between a resident and a citizen. My article states ‘citizen,’ so this doesn’t apply to you if you are not a citizen.

The only time a non-EU citizen can transfer easily between EU countries as only a ‘resident’ is if he/she has a special EU-wide permit issued to those (without a connection to an EU citizen) who have been residing/working legally in one member state for a minimum of 5 years. I also state this in the article.

Further, if you are already in Greece (which your IP address shows you are), you cannot get a permit to live and work in Greece while in the country. You must be outside Greece, be issued a ‘D’ visa by the Greek Consulate/Embassy via one of the methods I listed and re-enter.

  Aesop wrote @ October 22nd, 2009 at 13:51

Thank you very much for wonderful information.

I am Japanese citizen, and recently married to a Greek man. However we didn’t know about applying for a residential permit as a spouse. By then my 90 days stay has been exceeded.

I am officially a wife of a Greek citizen but illegally staying in Greece!?

We have contacted many authorities, but the police can’t extend my visa because I am a wife of Greek man, saying everything is OK, meanwhile another authority says that they can’t process my permit because my 90 days period has been expired.

I am seriously trapped by the law.

Please help me.

Kat Reply:

Any immigration process involves visas and permits based on one’s citizenship; Japan (or any country) demands them, why wouldn’t Greece? It was your responsibility to check with the Greek Consulate/Embassy, or your (now) Greek husband could have made a simple phone call to any government office (nomarxeia, dimos, KEP, mayor’s office) to inquire. Getting married and being the “official” wife of a Greek citizen does not make you a Greek citizen or exempt you from following the law. Ignorance is not a legitimate defense.

As detailed in “Countries that enjoy visa-free travel to Greece,” you did not need a visa to enter Greece. However, because you are immigrating as a permanent resident and staying more than 90 days, you need a permit and the law says that process should have started within 30 days of your arrival. That means you needed to marry within the first 30 days to meet the deadline.

As it says in “Overstaying a visa in Greece,” you do not qualify for a visa extension for several reasons, and it has nothing to do with being the wife of a Greek citizen:
a) An extension implies there is something valid to extend. Your visa is expired.
b) A visa extension is only given to people who are temporary visitors. You are a resident.
c) Even if you had a valid visa and were a temporary visitor, you must have an extenuating reason to be in Greece (hospital, dying relative, car accident) and have significant financial resources to support yourself. You do not have an extenuating reason.

I see only three options to fix this:
a) You get a lawyer that can use his connections to find a loophole or bribe someone who can somehow issue your permit;
b) You go to the Greek ombudsman to state your case, and hope that a compromise is worked out. See “Greek ombudsman“;
c) You exit Greece and re-enter at a later date to apply for a permit: Because you have a 90-day visa good within any 180-day period, it means you must stay out of Greece/Schengen for a total of 90 days after which it will renew. Once that happens, you can re-enter Greece and apply for your permit.

Otherwise, you will remain illegal and are therefore ineligible for insurance, work or completing any transactions in Greece. You are not trapped by the law; you are trapped by your failure to research the legalities of moving, living and working in Greece before you came here.

Good luck.

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